Defrosted Jay155,700 (99,733)

I'm glad the police shot them down like the animals they are. If only they could've tortured them in the street to send a message to the others.

And believe me, there are plenty of others ready to strike.

That sounded kinda racist.

I'd rather be labeled a racist then become a victim of Muslim aggression.

I would rather be labeled as Human rather than a race.... Actually I would rather be labeled as a god.... Yah, that would be fun. Throw hammers and lightning around....

Islam as a whole isn't the problem. It's the Islam fundamentalists that are the prob. When Christianity was approximately the same age that Islam is now, we called those

fundamentalists Templars in Christianity. Every religion goes through its growing pains. I'm not saying I like it, but it's gunna happen.

The Knights Templar was a religious/political group founded to protect pilgrims during the Crusades on their journey to the Holy Land. That's quite a stretch comparing

the two since the Templars saved lives while Islam, since it's inception, has only taken them.

1 word.... Crusade.

Religion is a system of control, like money. Both have REAL tangible power and BOTH have a culture around them which indoctrinates a set way of thinking.

Money is a religion without a god, for the power itself is god - the ability to acquire and to manipulate others by promising them acquisition.

for the power of money itself is GOD in the religion of money*

RedDeadKBII (RDK from here on haha). You're exactly right about the founding of the Order. However, they turned into a bunch of thugs that massacred and everyone that

didn't agree with them and stole their belongings. many - if not most - Templars were convicts that were pardoned if they joined the Order. They started out with an

admirable cause that was destroyed quickly after the order's founding. A lot of the things said about the Templars is false due to King Philip IV trying to get his debt

forgiven, but fact is that thousands of atrocities were caused by the Templars. Templars became even more corrupt when they went into banking instead of upholding their

Order's founding premise which was protect Christains on pilgramage to the Holy Land as you've mentioned. That part was lost soon after the Order's founding.

Meh, I forgot to add that my point about my first comments is to say Templars did nothing different than Muslim fundamentalist are doing today: killing in the name of God

Islamic fundamentalists understand their holy writings different than most Muslims, just like the early Christianity did. The only difference is that today the methods of

taking care of those that do not agree with your religion is not accepted as it was back in the 10th, 11th and 12th centuries.

I'm puzzled that upon hearing of a Englishmen being brutalized you look to rationalize by pointing to Christianity's darker days. This apologist attitude is what will

ultimately lead to Islam, which it already is, sweeping across the lands our Ancestors fought and died for. Frankly, to win this war, we must be suspicious rather than

cautionary; proactive rather responsive; and judgemental rather than accepting. Until then, expect more odious acts to be committed in the name of Allah; and more

apologies coming from the West's weaklings.

+1 to what RedDead's saying. History always comes up, let's live in the present and address contemporary threats, such as Islamism.

Actually, I wasn't even referring to what you said in my initial comment. I was talking about where DBA said "Islam is fucking disgusting." On top of that, you missed my

entire point which was to point out that Islam now draws very strong similarities to Christianity during the Crusades and both religions were approximately the same

age on both sides for the atrocities. In other words, every religion that has been around as long as these two are going to go through their growing pains and I strongly

believe that is what we're seeing with Islam today. Not everyone is a fundamentalist, so bitching and moaning about Islam as a whole is pretty damned near-sighted

and childish. Of course what happened to those young men is absolutely horrible and I am not making excuses for any one here. But denying that the points I bring are not

something to consider is just foolish and narrow-minded given the almost identical similarities. THAT's what I'm saying. Now you know. Don't turn it around on me again.

Their was supposed to be a "Thanks" after the "Don't turn it around on me again" but I couldn't even get a TY in there due to lack of space lol.

I believe the phrase, "History Repeats Itself" could be used to sum up what he is saying.

You're looking at it from an intellectual viewpoint; a luxury we don't have at the moment. Have you read David Cameron's statement regarding the attack. The man has

absolutely no integrity. Why? Because it will not be him caught on a bus with a bomb planted. It will not be him being dragged to the streets with 2 Islamists hacking

away. Instead, he chooses to believe that everything can be explained away, and that we are dealing with rational people with rational values. We are not.

I haven't read his statement, but I will go see if I can find it right now. A lot of what I am saying here is that all of Islam is not the same. That's like saying all of

Christianity and every other religion is the same. There were people (on both sides) that found the Templar's actions just as vile as we find Islam extremist's actions

even 5-700yrs ago. While I'm not a religious person, I do respect religion and those that believe and I think that Islam as a whole will work itself out in the end, just

like Christianity did. I know a lot of people from various faiths(that includes a lot of Muslims) and every one of them is disgusted with the actions of fundamentalists

and they'd all do anything within their power to get rid of these asshats. While we, nor our grandkids will likely ever see Islam without the extremists, there will come

a time when they either don't exist or splinter into another religion. I wish they would splinter into their own religion so we could just wipe them all out, but that is

not the case. Anyway, didn't mean to keep going on and on there, but comments only hold so much. I'm going to look up that statement now and I'll be back.

Okay, I just read the statement. I am not nearly as familiar with Cameron as you are obviously, but I thought he gave a good statement personally. I am only talking about

this one statement. I thought he stated it with as much integrity as he possibly could have. Maybe your saying he has no integrity is from other statements or because you

you hear him and half to deal with him every day? I dunno.I just thought it was a great statement about his country while remaining accurate about the religion as a whole

He also seems to realize that we're dealing with two radically different ideologies of the same faith which is exactly the case here that not many seem to understand.