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Backwards compatibility and the lack of used games thingy (is that rumor) make this not a guarantee buy for me.

Still a few questions to be answered but defo a day 1 for me. Looking forward to getting a look at all these new exclusives.

I see pros and cons but you don't see me screaming my head off. I'll reserve judgement until it comes out. Staying cautiously optimistic.

I hope that I am proven wrong or that my doubts are erased. it looks like a great system. *Fingers Crossed*

...doing any of the many non-gaming functions Microsoft provides will flash upon my screen, AND a new Call of Duty game. Fantastic. I'm going to reread the specs for PS4.

After a Microsoft-hosted London event around the Xbox One reveal, Xbox's UK marketing director Harvey Eagle said that the console won't function without Kinect connected.

The PS4 is technologically the same console as the Xbox1. Notifications can be turned off just like they can on the 360. When I'm watching a movie,I dont see stupid stuff

Instead of worrying about NEW crap, with consoles, Microsoft and Sony should have worried about what they already had, at which they both failed!

Nah, I'm pretty sure it's been time for new consoles for at least a couple years now.

I disagree

Just because you believe something doesn't make it true. :)

or false!

No, but facts make it false. And the fact is that it is time for new hardware.

They yanked it though

Fuckers

i can't even get the store to work at all...and none of my transactions went through.

I remember getting all bent out of shape about last gen change and backwards compatibility etc. We shall survive the innovation, maybe even like some of it.

Time though to accept the thousands of titles released for 360 might, just might not get 100% completion before you know...360 death, gamer death, etc.

The active achievement system coming with next gen is gonna be final nail in coffin for completionists any way...may as well find therapist now.

I for one am looking forward (not) to the whining in future from cheapasses that bought and sold games 4x because of new achievements coming out of the blue games.

I don't care about backwards compatibility. I have 3 running consoles. I don't want to feel they are no longer necessary once I get the new one.

The crossover achievements is bullshit. They are gonna tell you that you need to watch Lego Star Wars Season One in order to unlock an achievement in the game.

HEY WHEN YOU HAVE STOCK OR MONEY INVESTED IN A COMPANY THAN TALK TO ME OTHERWISE SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE!!THE COMPANY IS LOSING MONEY ON ALL IT'S PRODUCTS EXCEPT FOR THE 360!!

THEY THINK JUST BECAUSE THIS MACHINE CAN SAVE STATS FOR SPORTS THAT IT WILL SELL,GOODLUCK,PS4 IS BACK FOR ME!!

WHY ARE YOU YELLING?

Actually, I'm pretty sure that Windows 8, the WP8, and Surface Pro are all doing very well, Mr. Yelly Pants. So slow your role before you go looking like a bigger moron.

THEY ARE NOT,THE APPS SUCK AND SO DOES THE PRODUCTS,THERE ARE MANY ARTICLES STATING THAT MS HAD A TERRIBLE YEAR LAST YEAR AND IF THING DON'T CHANGE THEY WILL GO UNDER!!

I'M STATING FACTS,GO ON THE INTERNET AND READ,ONLY THE XBOX360 MADE MONEY FOR THE COMPANY LAST YEAR AND THEY WILL NOT SURVIVE ON THAT ALONE!!

I think your Caps Lock is stuck...

The sky is green and life started on the back of crystals. These are facts, look it up on the intarwebz.

If a gamer yells in a forum, does anybody hear...

They call him Wrath of Pain for a reason, I guess.

I DON'T KNOW WHY I BOTHER WITH IDIOTS THAT HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT STOCKS OR THE MARKET ITSELF!!

Who the hell are you and what hole did you crawl out of with your CAPS only pc? Trueinvestments.com is down the road.

You appear to be having a lovely conversation with yourself as I don't see anyone here really partaking in a conversation about the stock market.

Once upon a time, when playing L4D, we would welcome in new players but when we found the new player to be difficult to get along with, some one would say...

Hahaha. I guess it takes a genius to understand why a company would like to improve a product and sell it to thousands of people who demand for it.

"Does anyone here like pretzels?". That would be the initiate the kick player event for the others to follow, followed by a good laugh.

It is here where I must ask "Karbin, do you my friend like pretzels? God I hope you like PRETZELS!!!"

WAIT AND SEE WAIT AND SEE!!!!

I guess the PS4 is completely different, seeing that it cures cancer if you stand close to it.

"These PRETZELS are making me THIRSTY!"

I'm bock WOW!!!! ok I'd say this For Backwards compatibility I don't know why the hate we had years of consoles not having it, PS2 introduced it and sony eliminated it

360 was never fully BC, only for select games, and for the "The active achievement system" ans always kinect hate it, it sucks.

Actually windows 8 and surface are not doing that fine, 8 is selling less than vista. Microsoft already releasing a new windows to replace 8 (free if you bought 8)

Saying Windows 8.1 is new is like saying Windows XP SP1 is new. It's a patch,nothing more, nothing less. The Surface Pro sold 400K units in less than a month. If that's

your idea of "not good" then you obviously have SquarEnix level expectations of things.

And before anybody jumps on me,I didn't say that the Surface was doing GREAT,I just said it wasn't hemorrhaging money like a certain caps-drunk village idiot would claim

I love my Surface Pro, my Lumia 920, and my old but sturdy LG E900, MICROSOFT Fanboy here!!! and i did like what i saw of the xbox one.

Day to day i play less games, and i kind of liked the multi tasking side of it, i would really love if it really could swith as seemlesly as they showed.

I dont care about no backwards compatibility, i still have my original xbox, and i would not get rid of my 360, i dont care about the used game market, i buy most of my

games new, not on release, maybe couple of months after, at half price, i really dont get all the hating... but thats just me...

I want my Lumia!! but the prices here in Panama are a crime a total ASS VIOLENT RAPE!!!

Backwards compatibility is not a deal breaker for me. As for games I'm on the club "I get games at release date, to play them when they are $19.95"

Well windows blue is something "new" as I told you those who got 8 will be able to upgrade to 8.1 for free. In reality is 8 with upgrades.

But rally Windows 8 is doing worse than Vista. Trust me I know, I work selling that shit. I bought my 8 BTW for 30

For what I know 8.1 to 8 will be like say ULTIMATE to PRO, Microsoft still debating how to handle it. I went to a Microsoft certification and that was the info released.

It's not a Service Pack or a patch that I can tell.

I dont dislike win 8, its a different feel than win7 of course, it could be improved, yes, but i dont miss the start button, i just feel that we should be able to run

metro apps on desktop mode (windowed), i dont totally like the full screen aspect of it, i like my windows to be able to use windowed apps... thats all

they probably realized that everyone was using it for ms points...i had a bunch of them...but they refunded me every time the instant i tried buying.

Microsoft store sucks! They fucked up like that on me before and there wasn't even a promotion. I just had to wait a few days for my refund :(

I wouldn't let them put me on hold because there music sucked, I told them to just set the phone down and I would wait. At least they did that for me, lol!

^ haha

You're in luck, I do have the hero doll. Let me know when you want him.

Omg you're awesome! I should have some time in the afternoon tomorrow if you're free.

I try, and I should be free.

Ghost hooked me up with the doll so I won't need your help anymore. Thank you :]

Off to invest more time on the PC........ hmm I do need to finish off my Pokemon collection *scratches chin*

STEAM KICKS ASS!

Built a PC myself in November to prep for the downfall of Xbox... The reveal seemed too much not about games :/

Xbox One for me

Ill stay on the 360 until servers shut down then just play SP offline games. I need to save money for skydiving & my bro will get a PS4

I'll be playing my PS3 for the years to come. I also have a STEAM account.

@Mugen get a PC. @Shadow what about PS4? @Ham I know what you mean.

I guess I'm gonna have to go outside.

I'll be getting a PS4 from work, but the main TV I game on doesn't even have HDMI so I dunno if I'll even hook it up.

Though watch dogs and metal gear may convince me to just play more games in the living room.

tell me where to get the job that gives me a PS4

And you know they will, I love how they put in you can trade games but won't go into specifics. I doubt it'll be a fair swap without costs

yea - considering how ridiculous the downloaded retail games are on the marketplace you can expect they'll be full price to damn near..... EAs wet dream

Here's another one, http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/xbox-one-analysis/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ekOtn7L1N0

Normally don't go for rants but loved it, and it surprisingly felt good

Didn't it? I didn't think I'd enjoy listening to somoene else yell but it was a relief to watch.

No I mean it did feel good watching someone else more frustrated then me over M$, I loved it

I lasted 1 minute into that video. "Literally the worst reveal event I've ever seen." Must've had his eyes closed during PS3 launch, then - and that wound up doing OK.

the PS4 reveal was a million times better for gamers than this reveal, petee, imo. Order, I was agreeing with you

Oh, the PS4 launch was beautiful. It also demonstrates that it's possible to learn from a train-wreck ;)

Suuuuuuure, then whats with the "Didn't it?" matey hey ;-)

The PS3 launch (at E3 2006 - $599? Riiiiidge Racer? Giant Enemy Crabs?) was the train-wreck... and the PS3 turned out OK. The PS4 launch was great.

You said it felt good. In agreement, I asked, "didn't it?" you know, like "Right?!" when you're agreeing with something someone said.

petee - stay tuned for E3. You're going to see some lessons learned from 2006.

Now I get it mate

Reveal = tease a small amount of games, show off everything nobody cares about tell us lots of technical jargonE3 = bring on the games baby!

Exactly ;)

And people on TA really don't think..."Ohh what need would I have for uploading videos to youtube and ability to record stuff on my Xbox?" Idk maybe for....

TA game solutions with a video walk-through?! lol duh

Fox, you're dealing with teenagers or younger. The older generation that is going to actually pay for all the services that XBox One offers, will like it and gravitate

toward it. Also, anyone who thought games would be the focus is out of touch with the industry as a whole. Games are not the focus of the game systems (except for

nintendo) anymore. They won't ever be anymore either. Games are a nice benefit for the systems, but it isn't what brings in the cash flow to the console makers. Games

Evidently that's all TA is filled with, that and self-centered assholes who only care about themselves lol.

bring in cash flow/profits to producers and developers of game studios not Microsoft and Sony. So they have to focus on what brings in cash to them, & I don't blame them

It has nothing to do age, its the fact that these systems (ps4 and xbox one (still hate the name but at the same time smart strategy)) were once called gaming

systems and now they are called household systems. I for one buy a console only for gaming as I have a PC for any other service they have.

The Xbox One also didn't really showcase anything major just new partnerships, the only thing big and unexpected was the Halo show they're making everything

else was pretty evident to be showcased, but of course its xbox being safe to lay the fire for e3

Well, for me, it's about the games. watching movies and looking at youtube I can do elsewhere easier (imo) than on Xbox. I can watch Crunchyroll on my PC as easy as on...

But that's because we are growing in a technological aspect and most people now WANT, movies, sports, and games all rolled into one. I am gonna love the ability to record

Xbox. I won't be buying the Xbox One to watch Netflix or Facebook or some other gimmik. I will get it for the games.

But, I won't get it for about a year or so after launch. There are always bugs that need to be ironed out and I am tired of paying companies...

(i.e. Microsoft or Apple) to finish their beta test.

MP matches and upload them to YouTube because of my clan. Game goes with creating game guides.

Wasn't saying there wasn't uses for this type of stuff. Was saying that games for me come first. hehe and the stuff you are referring to is about gamestuff too. 8-p

I'm for the uploading thats a popular thing everyone is into, my point is that they're getting too far from what they started and thats gaming.

About creating game guides and such.

Some of us want movies but as we have a PC that plays them that can be projected onto a tv already by changing a cable makes little sense to me imho.

I'm guessing it will be the same price as a 3-day pass for Coachella + camping + airfare.

Price supposed to be announced at E3. Rumoured to be around $500. Which is supposed to be PS4 price point.

I don't like how there's a fee if you install it to the HDD and don't put the disc in.

Fox c'mon bro, you know this routine already.

There's only a fee for used games to be installed on the HDD so that you can't just go around installing the game on every Xbox. Should be able to play from disc.

You know I'm pumped buddy! Large scale MP so Battlefield can be done right now. Behind the scenes processing which could potentially eliminate load times in games.

Tons of new dev tools to make games so much better. Recording games at any time to show friends. There is so much goodness here.

Problem with TA is it gives people the sense that achievements are a big deal because all you see here is the people invested in them. It is easy for them to forget that

they are a niche market and gaming innovation will never be done with them in mind so they are always going to be unhappy when that is all they really game for.

Yeah I caught all that earlier. But at this time they're pretty much saying any "used" game will cost full price (the fee) to play.

If that is accurate, the whole achievement whoring community will essentially die, due to the extreme cost. Could be nice to go back to playing just good games.

No it will just increase the modding community if that is the case.

Well, the original xbox was running up until last year or so if I recall correctly. I'm sure you can still connect to the live service with your 360.

Tough to guess how much the online stuff will be affected by this.

seriously? single player? lol. the game has to already have an always online feature for them to stop you from playing it. dont be stupid!

I suppose only time will tell

No Paul when they discontinue 360 services how will you access purchases on Xbox one you can't say you store all of your games on a hard drive and it corrupts and your

Shots gone yeah were fine for today but let's look long term and the fact they had that huge sale 2 months ago for gotd it's fucks everyone down the line

In the rare event that your hd fucks up, then youre screwed. But as long as you have your 360 with the game on the hd you can play it.

And obviously online support for the 360 isnt going to go down overnight since they are still selling them. Once again, don be stupid!

Well, that's why some people make console emulators for PC ;)

of course but im tallking down the line were it counts i could understand why disc wouldnt work but the arcade paul come on you just blood dragon and if u were to invest

in a xbox one your purcases dont carry over but your profile will is a sack of shit

And Blood Dragon doesnt require online support to play... Whats your point? Keep your 360. Finish what youve bought. Then get the new console.

the xbox one and its features are fine but with no back wards compatibility of even a digital level gives me no incentive to carry on after its discontinuation

ok. so dont... DONT. BE. STUPID. BRYCEN. I. LOVE. YOU.

im more inclined to get gamefly and not buy anymore arcade/retail finish this gen out but ill wait see after e3 but so far im not too impressed at this point

Realistically you're just mad you may lose what you paid for. Chances of you wanting to go back and play half of these games is slim to none. Come on now.

Paul, you BY FAR have the most levelheaded and common sense response to this next generation. You get a sticker on your chart for this week, and it's GOLD, motherfucker.

The only console with backwards compatibility that didn't fry out the console was the PS2, why do people all of a sudden think they're entitled to it?

As technology evolves it only gets more complicated, people acting like this is appalling are just plain stupid.

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principle ryan and as for tech as advanced as stated couldnt play dvd discs on a blue ray drive but i can play regular movies on blue ray no excuses

cant be all that complicated if i can change my operating system on pc on the fly and still play games from windows 98 to windows play blue ray or dvd you cant convince

me *windows 8

Principle? You're just mad because they can't make it work. It's not like they're saying no to screw you over.

they can make it work. they wont though is a better question, as a consumer why should i put any investment into a consoles i would lose money in

You're right clock. It's just that simple. You don't know that, you're assuming. It's not as simple as a backwards compatible switch on or off.

Like I said above, how many of the games you're referring to do you really think you'll go back and play on a regular basis?

my backlog is more than 40 games plus how do how do you justify this shit

http://www.oxm.co.uk/54430/xbox-one-games-are-locked-to-xbox-live-accounts-but-theres-no-pre-owned-fee-report/

As I said before, they can write an emulator to code and convert instruction of Xbox 360. Heck, probably hackers will do this, not Microsoft itself.

No JOKE!! I am gonna' snag 2 more, just to be safe!

What about digital downloads you baught from the marketplace? And are you going to be able to carry over your gamertag?

Gamertag, yes. XBL games, no. Apparently.

What about backwards compatibility, gamerscore, Pre owns, etc??

I like the suggestion. I'll make sure that I buy some extras before the end of the summer.

Same. I've already got 3, but hell, what's 1 or 2 more? Also need to get another PS2 or two.

There is no backwards compatibility and no plans as of yet to take the catalog digital. Having to install a license copy of a game on your HDD and pay a fee for

subsquent copies "aka preowned" fee is the kiss of death for that system, I will never buy one.

so...couch coop is fine right? I can start the game on my tag and my daughter can join in without paying a fee?

Its not even backwards compatible according to x360a which sucks :(

I had like eleventeen holeeee shit moments

Only had a quick skim but no arcade transfer over? not backwards compatible? Guess i will definitely be waiting for reviews and if i buy one will play both by looks of it

Yeh I was quite impressed, from an entertainment perspective. Looking forward to E3 to see more of the gaming side of it.

As for the backwards compatability. I'll be keeping my 360 so no trouble for me =D

I don't get why people are complaining about backwards compatibility, it's not an issue at all (if you're already a 360 owner).

As for not being able to play borrowed/pre-owned games - I don't think this will sit well with gamers, so if they don't change it before...

... they will change it after release, for sure. They would lose out on many customers. As for Kinect, we all knew it was going to be an integral part of Xbox One.

They have obviously refined the tech and it is looking great. I am excited to see more games for it though, but I am also sad that I still haven't got through a lot...

... of my X360 games. Good job Gamerscore & Achievements carry over, so I guess I can continue working on those. ;D /rant

Oh & as for appearance, I guess I never expected what it actually looks like, but I can live with it, if it works well. :D

[Update: rumours about having to pay extra for pre-owned or borrowed games are false.]

where have you found that out?

Xbox Support via Twitter.

trust me the new xbox will sell well and beat sony,they both are running same processers,but we also have 8 new exclusive game makers they don't!!we have 15 total!its on!

compare the graphics not one is better than the other and we took some game developers from them,that is great,but backwards compatibility is still up in the air!!

10 out of 15 kinnect crap. Specs are 30-50% below those of ps4, Gamepad Its good.

It wont be backwards compatible with Downloaded arcades or Retail.

Microsoft: "We purposefully did not target the highest end graphics", Caring more about spending tech on TV stuff than gaming...

GamerScore WILL carry over. Console wont be "always on" and games will install on hard drive and wont need disc to be on.

If games gets installed on other Xbox won't be playable on previous wbox installed.

Stop complaining and pre-order the damn thing!

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I'm not complaining, Im stating the facts

NOT TRUE,I READ THE ARTICLE GRAPHICS ARE INDENTICLE!!!TO SONY 4!!!THEY WILL MAKE IT PLAY THE OLD GAMES OR THEY WILL LOSE MONEY,MY FRIEND!!

Its not backward

Why does it need to play old games? We have consoles for that. The new console is completely new architecture. Time to move on and up!

It would be nice to have gamer score reset though. Go on into next gen playing just great games with one console. Too much shit in my house.

I don't want two systems on my shelf. But ps3 won't play ps2 either.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I don't want to see anyone that's on my friend list naked. Unless they make a chat roulette sorta thing that pairs you up with strangers

You make a valid point. lol

Will do Cherry! haha I'll let you know how she's been. Few friends have some beefed up ones as well.

enjoy !!