| Author | Solution |
|---|
Aerodynamo
111,891
Achievement won offlineTA Score for this game: 1,578
Posted on 29 December 08 at 17:51
|
This solution has 32 positive votes and 0 negative votes. Please log in to vote. |
(Copied over from "Last, Best Hope of Humanity")
The best advice I can offer for this achievement is to play the game Good, as it is much easier to get Bad Karma then Good Karma. When you get to Level 19, you can get the other two achievements, "Paradigm of Humanity" (Level 20 Neutral) and "Scourge of Humanity" (Level 20 Bad), as well.
Upon reaching level 19, you can either get more XP until you are just on the brink of Level 20 or you can play it safe, save at the start of the level, and work towards 20 and each side of karma.
To get karma, here are some tips:
For Good karma, give Purified Water to the tramp outside of Megaton. He will be to the right laying on some rocks just outside the gate. You can get purified water from Wadsworth at your house. (NOTE: You will only have a house if you have completed "The Power of the Atom".)
For Bad karma, well... this one is easy! Murder, steal, massacre, hit people, whatever you want to do.
ANOTHER TIP:
A friend of mine recommended saving the "Power of the Atom" quest until you reach one of the levels before those in the achievement (7, 13, 19). Once you get to the level, either blow up the bomb or disarm it, and depending on which, you will get XP and karma for completing the quest. The one problem with this is that you might not have Tenpenny Tower in order to blow the bomb up at level 7.
Good luck! |
The Globalizer
364,316
Achievement won on 26 Nov 09TA Score for this game: 2,168
Posted on 13 December 09 at 17:20
|
This solution has 17 positive votes and 0 negative votes. Please log in to vote. |
** MINOR SPOILERS BELOW. **
To get this achievement, you need to reach level 20 with neutral karma.
Getting to level 20
Straightforward enough, but there are ways to achieve this more quickly. First, avoid companions.
Second, look out for the NPCs who request certain types of items, and then watch to see if redeeming those items provides XP. Two such "standing orders":
* Scrap metal in Megaton. (Easy to find everywhere.)
* Pre-war books at the Arlington Library. (Excellent per-book XP.)
Lastly, I recommend hacking every terminal, picking every lock, and attempting (almost) every speech challenge. All provide nearly guaranteed XP, without the hassle of a fight.
Karma
Neutral karma generally means that you do as much harm as good. Playing through the storyline as the traditional hero will get you a wealth of positive karma, so getting the neutral karma achievements will require you to do some evil (mostly murder and theft).
If you need a karma boost, I have two suggestions:
* At the Church of the Atom (Megaton) or Saint Monica's Church (Rivet City), donate caps. If you have a lot of cash lying around, it will be very easy and quick to get into "positive" karma.
* In Megaton, give away your scrap metal rather than requesting payment. (You still get the XP.)
If you need to decrease your karma, this is easy -- go on a killing spree in Megaton or Rivet City. (Megaton is great for using the Fat Man.) This will have some obvious gameplay effects however, so I suggest saving the game prior to this -- go get the achievement, load your save, and then continue.
Neutral karma can be a tough target to hit sometimes, so my suggestion is to check your karma after each murder / mini-nuke. Once you hit neutral karma, simply stop killing and run away until you are out of range of all angry wastelanders.
If you actually need even more karma loss, first steal everything you see, but be careful not to be caught, as it will typically provoke a gunfight. Then go on your murder spree. |
Mister Sergeant
41,747
Achievement won on 09 Jul 09TA Score for this game: 2,168
Posted on 09 July 09 at 19:11, Edited on 12 July 09 at 18:37
|
This solution has 17 positive votes and 2 negative votes. Please log in to vote. |
| Following the same basic principle as the solutions above this one, it's best to play as good and then go on a killing spree until you reach either neutral or evil. As opposed to playing it safe and leveling up all the way from 19 on different karma or by being only 50 exp from 20, instead make your saves just before you have to do the last part of a quest (Shock Value, Death From Above, and Rescue from Paradise are good examples and all provide 1000+ exp). After you have made three different saves, reach your appropriate karma level on each and then finish up the quest. If done properly, you should get all three achievements in one playthrough. |
Z3RO 37
243,613
Achievement won on 24 Apr 10TA Score for this game: 2,168
Posted on 22 October 10 at 02:50, Edited on 26 April 11 at 07:36
|
This solution has 14 positive votes and 0 negative votes. Please log in to vote. |
This is just an easy way to level up. I didn't discover this cheat, and I don't know who officially did, but this helped me get my last couple levels after I completed the game. I hope it helps others, too. See the video below.
As for reaching rank 30 with Good, Neutral, and Bad Karma, refer to the other solutions. They are very detailed and helpful.
METHOD: Have at least 2 Frag Mines with you and enter the Craterside Supply in Megaton. Throw your Frag Mine against the wall and quickly pick it up over and over again. You will get 6 experience points every time. It is a bit tedious, but it definitely adds up, and is very helpful when there isn't much left to do in the game to earn XP.
If the man leaning against the wall on the other side walks away, just pass time (by pressing the 'back' button) and wait until the next morning and continue. I suggest saving regularly in case something goes wrong.
|
Mickey Burns
190,479
Achievement won on 10 Feb 11TA Score for this game: 2,168
Posted on 10 February 11 at 04:26, Edited on 17 August 12 at 02:32
|
This solution has 12 positive votes and 2 negative votes. Please log in to vote. |
You can easily glitch your way to any level … starting after you first leave the vault.
First, travel to Megaton and speak to Walter. Find and repair the three leaks around town (Crimson Drifter has pointed out that you must have a Repair Skill of 30 or higher to fix the Megaton leaks). If you like, feel free to complete “Power of the Atom” (if you do, you MUST disarm the bomb). Sell most of the things you carry … except for some weapons and ammo.
Second, collect any scrap metal you find, as much as you can carry (so long as it is an even amount). The more you have for the next part, the better. Additionally, through your search for scrap metal and the locations necessary, try to stay neutral or good, and allocate any points awarded from leveling up into sneaking.
Some decent places to gather scrap metal are the Robco Factory (located south-west of Megaton) and a wandering seller named Tinker Joe who occasionally appears outside Robco, as well as the Meresti Train Station (where you find the Family in “Blood Ties”).
Next, make your way to Fort Independence and look for Protector Casdin. You can sell this guy your scrap metal 2 pieces at a time. This is where the glitch begins. To save frustration, save after every step. For the sake of argument, I will use 48 pieces of scrap metal as an example.
Step one: Sell every piece of scrap metal you have on you. (48 pieces)
Step two: Pick his pocket and steal it all back. DO NOT GET CAUGHT.
Step three: Sell all but 2 pieces of scrap metal back to him. (46 pieces)
Step four: Again, pick his pocket and steal all of the scrap metal back, in addition to his rifle. HE SHOULD CATCH YOU (and hopefully not attack you) AND TAKE ALL OF YOUR SCRAP METAL AWAY.
Technically, though it doesn’t appear in your inventory, you have unlimited scrap metal (provided you got the glitch to work). DO NOT pick up any more scrap metal, or it will end the glitch.
Immediately, head to Megaton and see your pal Walter. Sell him all of your scrap metal, which awards you XP, and you can repeat the transaction as many times as you wish until you level up to your desired level. STOP AT THE LEVEL PRIOR TO THE LEVEL NEEDED FOR THE ACHIEVEMENT.
Now, make a few saves for evil, neutral, and good. Depending on your current status, you will need to either gain positive karma or negative karma.
Negative karma is easy to attain. Murder townsfolk (DO NOT MURDER WALTER) and steal things.
Positive karma is a little harder to attain. You can donate to the churches in Megaton or Rivet City (provided you did not kill the priests) or give your purified water to the beggars outside of Megaton and Rivet City. If you have the house in Megaton, Wadsworth will give you some purified water.
Return to Walter in Megaton after reaching your desired karma and sell more scrap metal to level up once more to unlock the achievement. Continue to level up for the remaining karma/level based achievements. Load the other saves to pursue the other karma options.
EDIT: WHEN / IF CASDIN ATTACKS:
Sometimes when you try to pick Casdin's pocket at Fort Independence and steal back your scrap metal, he will attack you. This doesn't always happen ... but if it does, one or more of the following may remedy the situation (all according to research and/or trial and error):
1) Some suggest if you have open quests he will attack. I cannot confirm or deny this, but it seems ludicrous.
2) Some suggest if you do not have enough rep with the Outcasts he will attack. Credit to Antonysj who had this problem and his solution was to "[give] him some power armour and laser rifles, this was slow so I just went to the alien crash site and salvaged the alien blaster and ammo and gave that to him, instantly making him trust you. You can then pick the alien ammo back, and (providing you have the Broken Steel DLC) get another alien blaster later." Thank you, Ant, for providing a tried and true solution.
3) Some suggest that you do not attempt this glitch at too high a level ... I have no idea why.
4) Some suggest to steal the key in Casdin's possession rather than his rifle ... there are reports of players not being attacked, yet still being caught, while stealing the key. IIRC, my character had to steal everything in Casdin's possession in order to be caught, and I was lucky to not be attacked.
5) Some suggest that if you have previously met and killed off any Outcasts prior to attempting this glitch, Casdin will attack ... which makes sense.
6) Some suggest that karma is key ... if you're good, you're golden; if you're a bad boy, forget about it.
7) Finally, some suggest that your CHA stat will influence whether or not Casdin will attack ... the higher your charisma, the better your odds, and if it is below 4 or 5 you can forget about success ... which makes sense because your charisma determines how people react to your character.
What I suggest:
First, try and steal the key and see if that works for you. If not, well, you have a plethora of options. Examine your karma and CHA and see if you can improve them. Think back to any random people you killed .... were they Outcasts? ... and you can always do like Ant did and fork over some power armor and laser rifles to improve Casdin's disposition towards you.
If those seem to fail you, revert to an earlier save ... which could mean a "right-out-of-the-vault" save, and follow my guide to the letter. If that fails, well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but some people online have even said they have had to start a new game completely ... which basically means you would have to play through the vault again. In any instance, whichever course of action you decide, be sure to allocate those points and perks into things that will aid you in this specific task ... charisma, sneak, stealing, strength (the more scrap you can carry, the better!), etc.
Good luck! |
MFMegazerox
122,676
Achievement won on 30 Oct 10TA Score for this game: 2,079
Posted on 26 February 11 at 14:23, Edited on 15 April 12 at 20:31
|
This solution has 6 positive votes and 1 negative vote. Please log in to vote. |
If you don't have any problems with a glitch/mechanic abuse, there is a way to get XP retalively fast after you leave the vault.
The first thing you should keep in mind as you start your game is that it is advisable to keep your character barely good (try stealing things without being caught, saving often, and loading the most recent save when you realize you are neutral) if you are going for all the leveling achievements (the end part of the guide will be assuming you are). Also, make explosives one of your tag skills as you will need a skill of 25 to do this method. Having an intelligence of at least 4 is advisable.
First, go to Megaton and the Craterside Supply (Talk to Lucas Simms at the entrance of Megaton if you are unsure of where this is) and talk to the shop owner, Maria. Tell her you will help with her book and choose to talk about Minefield.
After you finish talking with her, make "The Wasteland Survival Guide" your active quest. then travel to Minefield which should be where your objective marker is. Disarm two mines and fast travel back to Megaton.
Go to the Craterside Supply and make the frag mines you picked up your active weapon. As you walk in, you should see a mercenary leaning on a wall. Head directly behind the wall he is leaning on, crouch, then throw a frag mine and pick it up.
You should keep this process going, getting 5 XP each time you pick up a mine (up to seven with the swift learner perk maxed out). I would advise getting the swift learner perk as quick as possible to increase your speed of leveling up.
One thing to note is that past 5 pm, Billy Crealy will visit the shop and wander, along with his girl. I recomend waiting until 8:00 am when this happens. Eventually, the mercanary will want to go to bed regardless, and you will have to wait until 8:00 am for him to come back.
When your are 35-45 XP from the level you want, then stop. Save, then if you are going for good karma, just keep going until you you level up. If you are going for neutral karma kill both the mercanary and Maria.
If you are going for bad karma, kill the mercanary, then steal everything in the shop. If you are still not bad karma, attempt to hack the computer then back out. Continue to hack in and back out until you are at bad karma or you are confident killing Maria will bring your karma down enough to be bad karma (if she has not run out). If she has ran out, hack the computer succesfully and you will level up.
The video below (which all credit goes to ablestmage on youtube) details the method of throwing the fragmine and picking it up so you can understand. Please leave comments telling me how I can improve my solution. I am always open to suggestions.
EDIT: To those wondering why I "posted the same solution as somebody else", this is why. 1. Most of the leveling achievements don't have that guide and I posted this on ALL the achievements. 2. My guide is more in depth and supports someone who starts a new game solely to get these achievements. Please do not vote down just because there is another similar guide above.
|
Cyphate
210,225
Achievement won on 19 Mar 09TA Score for this game: 2,168
Posted on 12 April 09 at 02:32
|
This solution has 12 positive votes and 7 negative votes. Please log in to vote. |
(Carried from Mercenary)
By far the easiest way to get this achievement is just to play through as good, and when you're about 50 exp away from levelling up, drop the difficulty to very easy, and go to town on the lovely people in megaton. Kill enough people to drop your karma to neutral, and leave town, remember you won't level up until your character is safe, so exp isn't a problem, as long as there is enough people for you to kill to drop your karma. If you destroyed Megaton, The Rivet City marketplace is fine as well. Obviously save it beforehand because you will inevitably kill named characters and lose out on trade, quests or conversation if you don't. |
Bergieeee
72,707
Achievement won on 04 Jun 12TA Score for this game: 2,168
Posted on 15 June 12 at 04:28
|
This solution has 3 positive votes and 0 negative votes. Please log in to vote. |
**This is just an add to many of the other solutions above.**
It is true that the best way is to start with good Karma, and then go back down to bad when reached the certain level for the achievement, but the only hard part may be dropping your karma down w/ out accidently leveling up, (due to killing civilians). My tip i have for lowering karma w/ out gaining XP is just quick tap a store owned terminal, the one in Morioraty's Saloon in Megatown works great, just tap A to access the terminal then tap B to get out, it will lower your karma and the town wont go crazy on you. Granting you a simple way, and quicker way to lower karma, and of course better than killing the whole town.
Here is a video guide, just in case.
|
neondeception
59,497
Achievement won on 08 Jan 12TA Score for this game: 1,675
Posted on 09 January 12 at 03:41
|
This solution has 2 positive votes and 0 negative votes. Please log in to vote. |
A quick and easy way to lower your karma without fighting or painfully walking around stealing things things is hacking a terminal that shows up as red\owned by someone. Crouch and make sure you are hidden. Press A to hack the terminal, but instead of hacking into it just back out. You lose karma for just clicking into it. It took me about 20 times to lower my karma a level. As long as you remain hidden you won't have anyone bothering you. If there is someone around just press the back button and wait a few hours. Using a stealthboy is also a good option if you aren't going to play with that save.
The terminals you are looking for will show up as red on your HUD and ask you to hack into them. There are many in Rivet city, but I used the one down the hill and to the left of the Megaton entrance, with the bar overlooking the bomb. |
DomESpliTTeR13
54,037
Achievement won on 16 Jun 12TA Score for this game: 2,168
Posted on 16 June 12 at 06:59, Edited on 22 June 12 at 17:51
|
This solution has 1 positive vote and 0 negative votes. Please log in to vote. |
just adjust your karma accordingly and do this(from fallout wiki):
"SKIPPING LEVELS
-- Keep in mind that this skips a level. You do not level up twice (meaning you will only be able to set points for 1 level up). With that being said, this glitch is only useful if you want a faster way to get the Achievements for reaching level 8, 14, 20, and 30.
-- Skipping levels still rewards you with the boost in Health for both levels. Maximum HP increase per level is (EN / 2) + 3.
-- You must gain enough XP to level up. You need to go through a door (to load a new area) before the Perk screen appears. Once through the door the Perk screen will automatically pop up, and you will have skipped the next level.
-- You can skip multiple levels. Once you have successfully skipped a level, just load your autosave, turn around and go through the door again before the Perk screen, and repeat.
--You can also level up past level 30. You will get the health boost for each level past 30. You cannot continue leveling up after level 30 on the Xbox 360 or PS3 using the above "level skipping" method."
It has a lot to do with timing. It seemed to be hit or miss a little bit until I got used to it. Basically what I did was once I reloaded the auto save, I'd turn and face the door. In the bottom right of the screen the words "level up" will appear. it seemed to be timed correctly if I entered the door at the moment the words began to disappear. You'll know you did it right if when you load on the other side of the door, the level up stat screen will pop up while the background is still black. a few seconds later, the background/room will load in behind the previously mentioned stat screen. then reload the autosave, which is now one level higher, until at the desired level. |
Chvis
30,230
Achievement won on 08 Feb 12TA Score for this game: 2,168
Posted on 15 February 12 at 23:34
|
This solution has 1 positive vote and 2 negative votes. Please log in to vote. |
| I'd suggest checking out my solution for the "Scourge of Humanity" achievement if you have bad karma and want to also get this achievement. It's another easy way to gain this achievement but the above works also. |