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Posted on 02 December 11 at 13:40, Edited on 09 May 12 at 01:03 by boulimanus |
Recently joined the site but been checking it out for a while.
Not so much of an achievement hunter (as must be obvious from my score) but I like gaming.
One thing I found funny very quickly is the case of the insanely high gamerscore we can find. And then is the case of Stallion83 who made it his mission to be the first to a certain target and makes sure everyone knows it. Probably making decent money out of it, which is great, I wish I could too.
However since I started visiting TA, I noticed twice already a gamertag registering to the site with a higher score and for some time showing above him in the leaderboard. Only to mysteriously vanish very quickly both times... (last occurrence was only a few days ago)
So I'm wondering what is happening on these occasions as it is looking a bit suspicious.
Is there an agreement between Stallion83 and TA to make sure he appears to stay on top and look like the highest scorer in the world when it may not be factual? |
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Posted on 02 December 11 at 13:42 |
| The people on top are all cheaters that have registered and on TA there is a zero tolerance policy for cheaters. They disappear because they are removed from the site. |
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Posted on 02 December 11 at 13:45 |
| Aside from smrnov, there is no one else who is going to catch up to that guy legit. |
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Posted on 02 December 11 at 17:09 |
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Turns out im human after all :( |
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Posted on 02 December 11 at 23:38, Edited on 02 December 11 at 23:39 by DarthGoose13 |
AndyLSimmons said:The people on top are all cheaters that have registered and on TA there is a zero tolerance policy for cheaters. They disappear because they are removed from the site.I believe you are allowed to cheat on two games and then on the third your removed from the site.
This may not indicate zero tolerance. |
What the brown? |
Last post: 22 Jan at 09:39
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Posted on 02 December 11 at 23:56 |
DarthGoose13 said:AndyLSimmons said:The people on top are all cheaters that have registered and on TA there is a zero tolerance policy for cheaters. They disappear because they are removed from the site.I believe you are allowed to cheat on two games and then on the third your removed from the site.
This may not indicate zero tolerance. |
Turns out im human after all :( |
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Posted on 03 December 11 at 00:37 |
| It's either a testament to how awesome the TA staff are or how slow MS is at banning cheaters. |
Life, it's funny that way. |
Last post: 03 Dec 11 at 05:39
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Posted on 03 December 11 at 05:39 |
| That's why you can't have leaderboards for anything anymore. People just cheat their way to the top so it's pointless. |
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Posted on 03 December 11 at 10:50 |
| If I'm honest I'd love to see Stallion removed, it'll never happen I don't think but I wouldn't mind seeing smrnov at the top, he seems like a legit guy. |
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Posted on 03 December 11 at 14:05 |
boulimanus said:However since I started visiting TA, I noticed twice already a gamertag registering to the site with a higher score and for some time showing above him in the leaderboard. Only to mysteriously vanish very quickly both times... (last occurrence was only a few days ago)
So I'm wondering what is happening on these occasions as it is looking a bit suspicious.
Is there an agreement between Stallion83 and TA to make sure he appears to stay on top and look like the highest scorer in the world when it may not be factual?Those gamers you mentioned get removed because if you examine their gamercards, they generally have completed ridiculous achievements like the Seriouslys in Gears of War in one day and manage to have somehow popped online or multiplayer only achievements exclusively offline, which screams out hacker. They're removed to keep TA's stats as accurate as possible. |
For the Rum and the Cheese! |
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Posted on 04 December 11 at 02:30 |
Case and point - Someone registered today and has the following -
1,412,068 - TA Score
1,016,350 - Gamerscore
1589 Games Played
Almost all of these games were completed in the same day. Some online only unlocked offline, also including 100% 1vs100 in October which is impossible since the game was shut down.
Top of the leaderboards temporarily, but in reality he did not earn any of these achievements legitimately and does not deserve to be acknowledged for false claims. |
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Posted on 04 December 11 at 04:11 |
TBreit said:Case and point - Someone registered today and has the following -
1,412,068 - TA Score
1,016,350 - Gamerscore
1589 Games Played
Almost all of these games were completed in the same day. Some online only unlocked offline, also including 100% 1vs100 in October which is impossible since the game was shut down.
Top of the leaderboards temporarily, but in reality he did not earn any of these achievements legitimately and does not deserve to be acknowledged for false claims.Its a cover up! |
Turns out im human after all :( |
Last post: 23 Jul 12 at 15:38
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Posted on 04 December 11 at 22:56 |
Thanks for all the replies as well as the one from the moderator and I do hear what you are saying.
However there are several achievements deemed impossible that have been obtained by some and not removed (e.g. RRR). To take Seriously 3.0 as another example even used above, it has been called out several times earlier that some had obtained it apparently faster than possible.
And I do understand why they have not been removed, it's because TA gives the right to defend oneself and appeal decisions, also there is a '3 strikes and you're out' policy I believe. Which is all good.
None appears to apply to those that would join on top. They disappear without a chance, almost as if trying to remove them before anyone notices. Hence the apparent preferential treatment. |
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Posted on 04 December 11 at 23:04 |
| I don't get how Stallion has anything to do with it really? If someone appears on the site that has been hiding for years unnoticed and doesn't have 500 cheated games on their profile then I am sure they will stay but when cheaters constantly appear on the site they are going to get removed as it messes with the ratios and whatnot. |
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Posted on 04 December 11 at 23:05 |
| If there was a legitimate player with a GS as high as Stallions, I am sure we would know about it before they signed up to TA. |
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Posted on 05 December 11 at 12:46 |
boulimanus said:...And I do understand why they have not been removed, it's because TA gives the right to defend oneself and appeal decisions, also there is a '3 strikes and you're out' policy I believe. Which is all good.
None appears to apply to those that would join on top. They disappear without a chance, almost as if trying to remove them before anyone notices. Hence the apparent preferential treatment.You answered it yourself here. Those "Top Spot" gamers have far more than three strikes on their gamercards, thus they are removed. Our three strike rule doesn't mean you can cheat 50 games each on 2 seperate days as long as you dont do it on a third day, it means 3 known instances of cheating period.
I'm personally on the side of anyone who had Seriously 3.0 in the first week being removed as well, but those who have it hid within system. |
For the Rum and the Cheese! |
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Posted on 05 December 11 at 13:21 |
| AndyLSimmons said:If there was a legitimate player with a GS as high as Stallions, I am sure we would know about it before they signed up to TA.This ^^ |
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Posted on 05 December 11 at 18:47 |
| Solario32 said:AndyLSimmons said:If there was a legitimate player with a GS as high as Stallions, I am sure we would know about it before they signed up to TA.This ^^Agreed as well |
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Posted on 12 December 11 at 12:13 |
Right, I don't think I will be able to understand, although Das Khunen has given me the closest thing to an answer.
To reply to the fact that
AndyLSimmons said:If there was a legitimate player with a GS as high as Stallions, I am sure we would know about it before they signed up to TA.I'd say it may well be, but not guaranteed. In fact I am pretty sure there are a lot of people playing mostly offline and/or with no intention of joining a community site.
But the main thing is that this does not answer my question. I was not questioning who is on top, nothing to do with a specific gamer.
So I am still wondering why some gamers are removed so quickly (which in turn appears to benefit whoever is left on top).
Why is it that there are so many threads asking to tackle cheaters, which are told to be patient as investigations are taking their course and it does takes time, whilst other cases (those high scorer ones) are completed swiftly.
This was the point of my original question.
Now as Das Khunen said, I may have partially answered my own question. It may very well be that those people have 3 strikes already at registration. Which could be one game with 3 instances of cheating. But why is the investigation so quick?
I'll try to answer myself, which is a bit annoying tbh.
- High scorers have a larger impact on TA stats and ratio
Sounds like a good point, but to be challenged. I don't have stats but it's very possible these gamers have only average achievements, just lots of them. These gamers would have no repercussion at all on anyone's stats or ratio. Only impact is being top of the leaderboard.
- High scorers have a larger impact given the amount of achievements and points they falsely claim. So they need to be investigated in priority.
Maybe to that, but I'm interested to know what is that impact.
Also even a single case of cheating can have a bigger impact on the ratio of a hard to get chieve.
- High scorers just become very visible due to the fact they are on top of the leaderboard. Flagging someone as a cheater using forum threads has a low turnaround because they are not looked as frequently.
Can't think of anything else... And certainly can't explain myself why they don't have a right to appeal.
In the end, it all seems to point out to the importance of the leaderboard. Which is so important it needs to be kept clean and one thing we don't accept on it are cheaters.
Okay but then what about boosters? TA is built around the concept of some achievements being worth more than others and rewards skills isn't it? Is there skills to boosting? May as well forget ratios?
But that is a different discussion so let's leave that there :) |
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Posted on 12 December 11 at 13:26 |
boulimanus said:It may very well be that those people have 3 strikes already at registration. Which could be one game with 3 instances of cheating. But why is the investigation so quick?In college athletics, it's usually the star players who get caught breaking the rules -- that's not because only star players break the rules, it's because being a star player draws more scrutiny. Jumping to the top of the site's leaderboard overnight draws much more scrutiny than if someone cheats more selectively.
Also, let's say you have two kids cheating on a test in school. Cheater A has a crib sheet, turns his test in first, and in the hall calls a friend on his cell and says, "I totally just owned that test -- thanks for the answers ahead of time!". Cheater B, on the other hand, simply managed to get a copy of the test beforehand and memorized the right answer.
I think it's pretty clear why Cheater A would require less of an investigation than Cheater B, or why star players are more likely to get caught breaking rules than lesser known players, and I would argue jumping onto the top of the site leaderboard is similar to both cases. Obvious cheating in a highly scrutinized, visible place. |