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Last post: 08 May at 10:53
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Posted on 21 February 12 at 17:18 |
the same logic doesn't carry over to other media though.
A porn film is not art
A picture my 2 year old son painted is not art.
A photo of the floor where I've accidentally pressed the shutter is not art.
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Last post: 20 May at 02:06
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Posted on 21 February 12 at 17:20, Edited on 21 February 12 at 17:20 by alklein92201 |
In my opinion Rob, it does. Shitty art (though porn is up for debate, some people think it's actually good art), but it's art.
EDIT: Actually, not the photo. That wasn't an expression of you, that was an accident. |
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Posted on 21 February 12 at 20:46 |
If you want to go by "an expression of who they are", that eliminates just about every movie/cartoon tie-in ... those games are not "an expression of who they (the developers) are", they are cash-grabs. Same can be said for any yearly-released sports franchise game and cycled CoD/MW/MoH game.
Like I said before, it isn't so simple to say yes or no. I find it funny that many people argue book definitions of something that is an abstract (not speaking purely of abstract art ... however, what makes art art are abstract ideas channeled through a particular medium ... trying to define an abstract is fruitless). It really is up to each individual ... whether they created it or they are the viewer ... to determine what is art.
You must weigh many different factors ... what was the motivation, what is the concept, what feelings are being expressed, how is this viewed/what is the reception of the idea, etc. If the motivational factor is monetary ... well, it is true that artists are broke until they are dead; therefore, if money is the motivation, it is not art. If it lacks feeling or concept, it is not art. While not all games possess concept or feeling ... there are some that do. While not all games are made purely to turn profit, there are a lot of games that all they care about are sales, profits margins, and revenues (*cough cough*EA*cough cough*). |
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Posted on 21 February 12 at 21:46 |
HolyMoses81 said:Evenger Ostro said:ELpanda feliz said:I wanted to say that only some games are art but who says that art equals masterpiece? Every paintings, sculptures, movies, books, comics are called art, not only the good ones. So yes, all games are art.I wouldn't say fitness and brain trainers are art. ....Very good point here!
I think on this topic it's easy to mix up virtual, artificial and artistic.
Take Forza Motorsport for instance. God, that game looks like a piece of art. But all in all there's nothing artistic in there as it's all copied from things that actually exist - every course, every car, every detail about grip, transmission or traction. It's applied mathematics (in excellence, I'd like to add). So if you'd assign games to specific museums Forza would definitely belong into a technical museum, but not a museum for art!  So, anything that copy wich already exists isn't art? So, it will meant that sculpture and painting aren't art. Mona Lisa, afterall, is just the reproduction of a woman. Same for David by Micheangelo.
And your example is just Forza? What about the Elder Scrolls? Those video games don't reproduce something that alreay exists but they created something new: they are art. Period. |
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Posted on 22 February 12 at 00:12 |
| Final fantasy art? Yea!!! Forza? Yea I guess. |
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Posted on 22 February 12 at 06:01 |
| I would consider all video games as art. The great thing about art is it has no limits or boundaries. Art is letting someone’s imagination and creativity run free. There is no real definition to what true art is IMO. Everyone has their own opinion like for everything else but there is no true answer. There are some games I wouldn’t consider art, but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t considered art to someone else. That is why I voted that all games are art. |
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Posted on 22 February 12 at 08:09 |
ELpanda feliz said:HolyMoses81 said:Evenger Ostro said:ELpanda feliz said:I wanted to say that only some games are art but who says that art equals masterpiece? Every paintings, sculptures, movies, books, comics are called art, not only the good ones. So yes, all games are art.I wouldn't say fitness and brain trainers are art. ....Very good point here!
I think on this topic it's easy to mix up virtual, artificial and artistic.
Take Forza Motorsport for instance. God, that game looks like a piece of art. But all in all there's nothing artistic in there as it's all copied from things that actually exist - every course, every car, every detail about grip, transmission or traction. It's applied mathematics (in excellence, I'd like to add). So if you'd assign games to specific museums Forza would definitely belong into a technical museum, but not a museum for art! So, anything that copy wich already exists isn't art? So, it will meant that sculpture and painting aren't art. Mona Lisa, afterall, is just the reproduction of a woman. Same for David by Micheangelo.
And your example is just Forza? What about the Elder Scrolls? Those video games don't reproduce something that alreay exists but they created something new: they are art. Period.You're right! I wasn't very accurate there. In the case of Forza it is technically meant to be an exact copy of all those technical aspects. It is meant to work and look the same way as it does in reality.
And that's what's different with Mona Lisa for instance. For a painting there's always inspiration - which background to use which overall feelings to express, what amtosphere to express.
And that's where I see the difference: You can't really put a landscape on moon into Forza Motorsport (I know technically you can, but since it's meant to be a simulation, they apparently won't).
The backgrounds there will always be racing tracks around the globe. The "objects" in there will always be cars and you'll never steer any space-shuttle on Nordschleife!
And this is where I draw the line for myself: Between creation and re-creation Or at least if it's meant to be unique or if it's meant to be an exact copy of something.
Let me give you a last example:
I wouldn't consider the picture of me in my passport as art. But if the same photographer take a picture of the same motive - my portrait - under special lighting and shading and whatever photopraphers have to take care of, then it sure can be considered art. Even if it's the same motive and the same person takes the picture there is still a differenc for me: The difference of purpose! |
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Posted on 22 February 12 at 14:04 |
A fair amount of people on here are ill informed about game design.
Of course its art, it has many different stages to make something great but as a designer/3d modeler what I build is my own content which adds my own tastes to the designs, to many artists that is all that is needed for art.  |
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Posted on 22 February 12 at 18:14 |
Some videogames are most certainly art, however I think some games take a more artistic approach and others take a more entertainment approach.
L.A. Noire was artistically beautiful at times, however I was not constantly entertained. Whereas Saints Row 3 kept me constantly entertained, but not certain it could constitute as beautiful (nor do I think it wanted to be).
Similarly I believe Darren Aronofsky films are undoubtedly artistic, yet I would laugh at anyone who used art and Michael Bay in the same sentence.
Ultimately I would like to hear someone exclude videogames from the concept of art, then force them to watch the "artists" who win Grammys these days. |
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Last post: 11 Jan at 03:54
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Posted on 22 February 12 at 21:27 |
I chose...Yes, some games are art.
I feel some games are so good that calling them art makes them seem lame. Lets make up a new word for those games. |
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Posted on 23 February 12 at 06:52 |
| Of course they are. art, by its very definition, is something someone has created. obviously people create video games. All video games are art. Its not even debatable. If you contend they are not art, then neither is music/ painting/ sculpting. and thats just assinine. |
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Posted on 23 February 12 at 06:54, Edited on 23 February 12 at 06:55 by BeyondNecroDome |
| since when does art have this ridiculous, pretensious meaning attached to it ? any creation is art, whether you personally like it or not. The statue of david is no more art then a painting of a crying clown. all creation is a form of art. |
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Posted on 23 February 12 at 16:13 |
To me "art" has a steady progression. What was considered great 1000 years ago is nothing (in my opinion) compared to the Renessance period.
that being said, look at the progression between Nes to now. You could even compare the NES to the SNES. I feel that Zelda on SNES is truly a work of art.
Now fastforward to FF13-2. How can you not look at the emaculate detail in a game like that and not be moved by that art. I haven't played final fantasy since the gameboy, and even i can appreciate what it looks like now. Then when you throw in a story line, how can you not connect with these video games?
As long as it's moving to the heart/Soul how can you not call it art. |
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Posted on 23 February 12 at 16:31 |
Thanatos03 said:To me "art" has a steady progression. What was considered great 1000 years ago is nothing (in my opinion) compared to the Renessance period.
that being said, look at the progression between Nes to now. You could even compare the NES to the SNES. I feel that Zelda on SNES is truly a work of art.
Now fastforward to FF13-2. How can you not look at the emaculate detail in a game like that and not be moved by that art. I haven't played final fantasy since the gameboy, and even i can appreciate what it looks like now. Then when you throw in a story line, how can you not connect with these video games?
As long as it's moving to the heart/Soul how can you not call it art.Sorry to drastically disagree with you there, but for me Zelda on NES is a whole lot more a piece of art than FF XIII is today (I can only speak of XIII, not XIII-2, but as far as I know the look quite the same style-wise).
Because back in NES-times the devs put their soul into those games and you felt that.
Today's games merely have anything that comes close to soul. Most of nowadays games are forgotten right after the credits have rolled, so I'd say games in NES times were a lot more artistic than today. |
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Last post: 24 Feb at 21:54
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Posted on 23 February 12 at 17:01 |
| Halo Reach is a good example. |
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Posted on 23 February 12 at 20:50 |
| BeyondNecroDome said: any creation is art, whether you personally like it or not. I create feces in my digestive system. Is that art? |
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Posted on 24 February 12 at 00:34 |
| Mickey Burns said:BeyondNecroDome said: any creation is art, whether you personally like it or not. I create feces in my digestive system. Is that art?"Any creation" is pushing it. Any creation you use to express yourself (even something like Forza or Dig Dug) is art. If you intentionally do it, of course. Like I said earlier, an accidentally taken picture would not be art. |
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Posted on 24 February 12 at 01:21 |
The feces I create in my digestive system, I express it through my anus. It is created, expressed, and USUALLY intentional (though on some drinking nights it is accidental). I must be a poo-artiste.  |
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Posted on 24 February 12 at 01:30 |
| I'm sure you knew what he meant when he said any creation. |
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Posted on 24 February 12 at 01:31 |
| If it's just you taking a shit, no it's not art. If you do it to express yourself, then it's art. I'd suggest you sign into a mental institution and try shock therapy, but you'd be doing it as an artist! |
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