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Posted on 18 June 12 at 01:13 |
While I see that point, I suspect that the number of designated cheaters that will fill a session to capacity will be quite low. In addition, anyone can always PM the host or just show up at the time and jump in the session, even if it's full. In fact, rarely do I sign up for sessions in advance; I usually just show up and see if there's room.
Cheating does not mean that someone is a bad booster, and not all bad boosters are cheaters. The two are mutually exclusive, and probably should remain as such in the confines of TA. |
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Posted on 18 June 12 at 01:43 |
| Low or not is it not fair to person who follows the rules to not have space due to someone who broke the rules. Nor is it fair for the person who follows the rules and wants absolutely no contact with known cheaters to leave a session due to the host of the session allowing a dummy account. No matter how infrequent this occurs the person who has not cheated is more negatively impacted than the person who has cheated. There is a major problem with that. The person that should be negatively impacted should be the person who broke the rules not the person who upholds the rules and wants nothing to do with cheaters. |
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Posted on 18 June 12 at 01:57 |
| There are plenty of people I won't boost with. If a person doesn't want to boost with a cheater, and the cheater is already in a session (especially if the session is set for the host to approve applicants), chances are that person won't want to be in that session one way or another. |
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Posted on 18 June 12 at 02:12, Edited on 18 June 12 at 02:15 by Neophoenix78 |
Sashamorning said:There are plenty of people I won't boost with. If a person doesn't want to boost with a cheater, and the cheater is already in a session (especially if the session is set for the host to approve applicants), chances are that person won't want to be in that session one way or another.I have seen sessions with dummy accounts in them. We will say in the session there is dummy account. and Booster A, B, C, D, E. I have played with A B C D and E at different occasions when dummy account was not in the session. I had no problems with Boosters A B C D or E.
Just because someone is empathetic towards cheaters does not mean I will not or can not get along with them. |
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Posted on 18 June 12 at 02:22 |
| I've never seen dummy accounts in sessions before. That's just... annoying, and it's probably a host I wouldn't want to boost with, either. |
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Posted on 18 June 12 at 09:24 |
Sashamorning said:I've never seen dummy accounts in sessions before. That's just... annoying, and it's probably a host I wouldn't want to boost with, either.You guys are having a nice chat? :) Bit off topic but I'll give my 2 cents.
I remember seeing dummy accounts and wondering what was the point, but I think some people are yet again too blinded by their own hatred and can't see the whole picture. People doing that are twofold:
1. banned account, using second account so they can join, some of them wishing they could redeem themselves but currently can't, also 'can' be good session partners
2. non banned account, using second account so they can avoid negative session feedback, also pretty much guaranteed bad session partners
The question of second accounts is not one easy to fix, if at all, but also off topic so not going to say any more. |
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Posted on 18 June 12 at 09:24 |
this is strange that 2 of my friends who are NO CHEATERS get banned due to 1 game with no actual good reason.
If I read everything correctly then It's not possible by the rules that they are kicked because its about 1 game (wich they played not game saved/profile saved) and by your own words(see below) you are not doing what you are telling people.
• We do not remove people from the TA scanner for one cheated game (outside of unobtainable achievements). If you are in support of TA being “cheater free”, you should be in support of the investigations team to remove a game from someone’s card. Removing people from TA for one cheated game is not up for debate and posts that suggest it will be ignored.
• Egregious cheaters will not be tolerated on TA under any circumstances.
• Removed games and GS Only accounts will not factor in to ratios. This is no different than them being completely removed except that they are still able to use the site and contribute to the community.
For the most part, TA’s definition of cheating is the same as Microsoft’s:
• Boosting and In-game cheat codes are not examples of cheating.
• Profile Editing and Game Saving are examples of cheating. |
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Posted on 18 June 12 at 11:42 |
Malembe said:this is strange that 2 of my friends who are NO CHEATERS get banned due to 1 game with no actual good reason.
If I read everything correctly then It's not possible by the rules that they are kicked because its about 1 game (wich they played not game saved/profile saved) and by your own words(see below) you are not doing what you are telling people.
• We do not remove people from the TA scanner for one cheated game (outside of unobtainable achievements). If you are in support of TA being “cheater free”, you should be in support of the investigations team to remove a game from someone’s card. Removing people from TA for one cheated game is not up for debate and posts that suggest it will be ignored.
• Egregious cheaters will not be tolerated on TA under any circumstances.
• Removed games and GS Only accounts will not factor in to ratios. This is no different than them being completely removed except that they are still able to use the site and contribute to the community.
For the most part, TA’s definition of cheating is the same as Microsoft’s:
• Boosting and In-game cheat codes are not examples of cheating.
• Profile Editing and Game Saving are examples of cheating.It's always a 'friend' isn't it... And as always, your friends are far more reputable than any website/company/any other person.
Would you not consider, that when a website such as this has guidelines and T&Cs and are then subsequently banned due to breaking the afor mentioned guidelines that perhaps they deserve it?
Once a cheat always a cheat- there is no difference between 1 game and 10. You'll find the vast majority of people agree with me here. |
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Posted on 18 June 12 at 11:55, Edited on 18 June 12 at 11:56 by Phoenix C64 |
Malembe said:this is strange that 2 of my friends who are NO CHEATERS get banned due to 1 game with no actual good reason. yeah, right.
is it reason enough that they also appear to be banned on XBOX?
i have checked those 2 "friends of yours"
both are zeroed on TA and in their status they ask people to add their new gamertags. did they made new gamertags just because they were zeroed on TA? nope, doubt it. so i checked their XBOX.com profiles.
those new gamertags are created around the same time their last update on XBOX.com on their old gamertags.
meaning? they got banned by xbox.com and made new gamertags.
microsoft doesn't ban "for actual no good reason"
any other lame excuses? maybe you should chose your "friends" more wisely |
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Posted on 18 June 12 at 12:13 |
Microsoft does ban for reasons other than cheating though.
For example, TA doesn't care if you mod your avatar to be bright green, write screeds of racist filth, try to sell 9th prestige etc. MS thinks differently.
Equally, TA has the ability to reset cheats to 0 for some things you'll just get a temporary ban for with MS (as I understand it) |
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Posted on 18 June 12 at 12:27, Edited on 18 June 12 at 12:29 by Phoenix C64 |
Dancing Rob said:Microsoft does ban for reasons other than cheating though.
For example, TA doesn't care if you mod your avatar to be bright green, write screeds of racist filth, try to sell 9th prestige etc. MS thinks differently.this is true. however the line between modding your gamertag to be purple and modding it to unlock chievos is very thin, and chances are if you modded one way, you probably modded the other way too.
this is something that has briefly been discussed in previous posts, without really getting to an unified opinion.
but in my opinion of zero tolerance to cheaters (yes, i have read the OP and this won't be taken into consideration by the team, but i'll mention it anyways) when some1 has been banned from xbox.com, for WHATEVER REASON, he should be banned here too.
explanation example: if you mod your avatar, means you're a modder. i personally don't want modders on this site as they are potential cheaters and if you've been banned by m$ , so be gone here too. |
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Posted on 18 June 12 at 14:56 |
Interesting avenue here for gamers who are completion freaks to take, you will remove one game from a gamers tag if it is cheated in and hide it but have a flag on their profile if they havent cheated in any other games?
Will people abuse this to affect their completion stats? |
ARGO |
Last post: 18 Jun 12 at 15:19
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Posted on 18 June 12 at 15:19, Edited on 18 June 12 at 15:19 by slacker424 |
| i would like to point out that being moved to gamerscore only is a pretty big I CHEATED SIGN just wanted to put that out there for the people that are saying partial tracking is better because it will label people as a cheater same thing just saying and im not saying gamerscore only is better well not in this post anyway just pointing out that a scarlet letter or no ta score is about the same label |
slacker424 |
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Posted on 18 June 12 at 22:36 |
| I am in favor of the gamerscore only tracking |
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Posted on 19 June 12 at 01:25 |
In sports, cheating players get fined and suspended - they don't have their entire careers obliterated for an infraction.
Teams that cheat are forced to forfeit those games won while cheating - they are not forced to forfeit every game they ever played, however, only the ones where the cheating occured.
In my opinion,...
A past cheater now reformed ought to have legit achievements tracked and no credit for the the illegitemate ones.
Cheat again... and face the full ban.
Aslo, in my opinion,...
People generally deserve an opportunity for a second chance to atone and do right. |
I used to be indecisive, but not I'm not so sure. |
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Posted on 19 June 12 at 01:44 |
Phoenix C64 said:Dancing Rob said:Microsoft does ban for reasons other than cheating though.
For example, TA doesn't care if you mod your avatar to be bright green, write screeds of racist filth, try to sell 9th prestige etc. MS thinks differently.this is true. however the line between modding your gamertag to be purple and modding it to unlock chievos is very thin, and chances are if you modded one way, you probably modded the other way too.
this is something that has briefly been discussed in previous posts, without really getting to an unified opinion.
but in my opinion of zero tolerance to cheaters (yes, i have read the OP and this won't be taken into consideration by the team, but i'll mention it anyways) when some1 has been banned from xbox.com, for WHATEVER REASON, he should be banned here too.
explanation example: if you mod your avatar, means you're a modder. i personally don't want modders on this site as they are potential cheaters and if you've been banned by m$ , so be gone here too.So now we should start banning people for POTENTIAL cheating?
Are you insane? |
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Posted on 19 June 12 at 01:49 |
chance47 said:In sports, cheating players get fined and suspended - they don't have their entire careers obliterated for an infraction.
Teams that cheat are forced to forfeit those games won while cheating - they are not forced to forfeit every game they ever played, however, only the ones where the cheating occured.
In my opinion,...
A past cheater now reformed ought to have legit achievements tracked and no credit for the the illegitemate ones.
Cheat again... and face the full ban.
Aslo, in my opinion,...
People generally deserve an opportunity for a second chance to atone and do right.I heartily endorse this opinion. |
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Posted on 19 June 12 at 01:58 |
Sashamorning said:chance47 said:In sports, cheating players get fined and suspended - they don't have their entire careers obliterated for an infraction.
Teams that cheat are forced to forfeit those games won while cheating - they are not forced to forfeit every game they ever played, however, only the ones where the cheating occured.
In my opinion,...
A past cheater now reformed ought to have legit achievements tracked and no credit for the the illegitemate ones.
Cheat again... and face the full ban.
Aslo, in my opinion,...
People generally deserve an opportunity for a second chance to atone and do right.I heartily endorse this opinion.I heartily endorse this endorsement. |
CEO/GSSP: Not polite, patient, or politically correct. |
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Posted on 19 June 12 at 06:42, Edited on 19 June 12 at 06:51 by Phoenix C64 |
WeisGuy9 said:Phoenix C64 said:Dancing Rob said:Microsoft does ban for reasons other than cheating though.
For example, TA doesn't care if you mod your avatar to be bright green, write screeds of racist filth, try to sell 9th prestige etc. MS thinks differently.this is true. however the line between modding your gamertag to be purple and modding it to unlock chievos is very thin, and chances are if you modded one way, you probably modded the other way too.
this is something that has briefly been discussed in previous posts, without really getting to an unified opinion.
but in my opinion of zero tolerance to cheaters (yes, i have read the OP and this won't be taken into consideration by the team, but i'll mention it anyways) when some1 has been banned from xbox.com, for WHATEVER REASON, he should be banned here too.
explanation example: if you mod your avatar, means you're a modder. i personally don't want modders on this site as they are potential cheaters and if you've been banned by m$ , so be gone here too.So now we should start banning people for POTENTIAL cheating?
Are you insane?if they have been banned by microsoft, yes. why keep them here?
actually when banned by microsoft (and not GS reset) their gamertag can't progress anymore. why keep some old rubish, non progressing and potentially cheated data on TA?
chance47 said:In sports, cheating players get fined and suspended - they don't have their entire careers obliterated for an infraction.
depending on sport and country, they are banned forever. |
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Posted on 19 June 12 at 07:54, Edited on 19 June 12 at 07:58 by WeisGuy9 |
Why not put people in jail because they might commit a robbery someday? Why not execute people because the might murder someone at some point?
If you want something closer to gaming, then why don't we ban anyone who starts a game that's more than 4 years old. If they haven't played it by now, they're probably just going to cheat it. While we're at it, we should probably ban anyone who gets a suspension from Microsoft for their motto or bio, because that's just a gateway drug to cheating. While we're at it, we should ban anyone who has SNIPA or KILLA in their gamertag, because that just sounds like cheaters waiting to happen.
I was wrong. You're not insane.
It doesn't speak well of you at all that you actually believe what you're saying. |
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