KeebyMK said:HolyHalfDead said:KeebyMK said:I have played absolutely zero of these games, although I have done various grinds before. Mainly in the older Forza games. Stuff like 1m online credits in FM2 took approximately 20 hours with two controllers and two consoles, and Solid Gold from FM3 took approximately 120 hours of *only* driving time. That's excluding menus, car upgrading, car buying, etc. And I didn't do any of the whole "hire an AI driver" stuff. (I also did various grinds for completing all events in FM2, 4, Horizon, Horizon 2 and Horizon 3, but those are the two that stick out the most to me).
None of the Forza games were grinds. Completing events is the what the games are all about. Now if there was an achievement for completing each event twice, then just maybe you could call it a grind.
Completing all the events *is* a grind though. Regardless of whether or not it's the point, 5 days of driving for one achievement is a pretty big grind. It's not as much of a grind as the achievements listed in the article, but it's still a grind.
In which case any game with a 80+ hours completion is a grind. I’m playing Skyrim right now, and I can play for days without unlocking an achievement - it is not a Telltale game with regular unlocks every hour. But in my opinion there is a massive difference between completing “fetch” quests or winning races in different cars, compared to repeating the same action 100,000 times.
If FH4 had an achievement for getting to level 99 car collector, then that would be a grind. I’be been playing since day 1 and still haven’t reached 99. Getting to level 10 in painter, tuner, designer and blue-printer would be massive grinds - most people probably haven’t even hit level 5 in each of them (to unlock the Ford Capri FE).
In Skyrim if there was an achievement to Legendary (prestige) all skills 10 times that would be a grind.
When I buy a game I want one that will occupy and entertain me for weeks, not to get 1000G in 1-2 hours. In the 1980-90’s I would (re)play the same game for years.
It’s getting to a point where I think one of the best things that could happen for gaming right now is that whenever you load a game for the first time a single achievement worth 1000G unlocks. Then people can go back to enjoying games like they used to before achievements, and the 1000G in 10 minute games will have to compete with other games on merit, lol. It will also put an end to achievements that become discontinued 10 years after the game was released.
He's not a man. He's the holy Half-Dead who has seen the Underverse and returned with powers you can't imagine.