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Grim Idle now free on Xbox with easy Gamerscore

  • TymanTheLongTymanTheLong565,545
    Posted on 10 November 24 at 19:30, Edited on 10 November 24 at 19:31 by TymanTheLong
    DakotaThrice said:
    Bieber Sheenis said:
    So what's the play here, do the devs think people will buy loads of in-game money if they make the game free on day one? There can't be that big of an audience for yet another Idle-type game, right?
    A game like this costs almost nothing to develop and requires very little in the way of sales to make a profit. The base game is free because they know that will draw people in with the hope being that some of them will pay for an even quicker completion either now at after future title updates. The audience is achievement hunters and completion its specifically rather than those who genuinely enjoy this type of idle game.
    I haven’t looked at this game yet but what evidence do you have for that claim? The company has released other idle games and this one would hardly be the only idle game with an easy 1000 GS. Occam’s razor says this is just their newest attempt to pull some people into the idle game market, which isn’t that big on console but on PC and mobile seems to have room to grow.
  • GDB MarcosGDB Marcos469,264
    Posted on 10 November 24 at 22:46
    Bieber Sheenis said:
    So what's the play here, do the devs think people will buy loads of in-game money if they make the game free on day one? There can't be that big of an audience for yet another Idle-type game, right?
    Looked up Steam Achievements (it's called Grim Clicker there) and they're definitely gonna update the achievement list on Xbox to the same extent, so the completion will get way harder and will appeal a lot for in game purchases.
    That's my guess.
  • Flipy FlipersonFlipy Fliperson1,413,634
    Posted on 10 November 24 at 23:48, Edited on 11 November 24 at 00:16 by Flipy Fliperson
    GDB Marcos said:
    Bieber Sheenis said:
    So what's the play here, do the devs think people will buy loads of in-game money if they make the game free on day one? There can't be that big of an audience for yet another Idle-type game, right?
    Looked up Steam Achievements (it's called Grim Clicker there) and they're definitely gonna update the achievement list on Xbox to the same extent, so the completion will get way harder and will appeal a lot for in game purchases.
    That's my guess.
    Desert Water Games is a GS publisher. While what you said could be true, it would not be a very wise business decision. To risk alienating even a small portion of the community could be disastrous for them.
  • GDB MarcosGDB Marcos469,264
    Posted on 11 November 24 at 03:13, Edited on 11 November 24 at 03:14 by GDB Marcos
    Flipy Fliperson said:
    GDB Marcos said:
    Bieber Sheenis said:
    So what's the play here, do the devs think people will buy loads of in-game money if they make the game free on day one? There can't be that big of an audience for yet another Idle-type game, right?
    Looked up Steam Achievements (it's called Grim Clicker there) and they're definitely gonna update the achievement list on Xbox to the same extent, so the completion will get way harder and will appeal a lot for in game purchases.
    That's my guess.
    Desert Water Games is a GS publisher. While what you said could be true, it would not be a very wise business decision. To risk alienating even a small portion of the community could be disastrous for them.
    I see the point you're trying to make, but I don't think they will come up with a different list of achievements, the best we could hope is that they stop updating the game.
    Also, I think its kinda fair that they try to make people buy in game currency with money, as the game is free and have quite some easy gamerscore, in the end would just be a pain for those who care about 100%, which are not everyone.
    Searched DPS Idle on Steam and it looks even worse than Grim, I suggest we brace ourselves for the future ☠️
  • Posted on 11 November 24 at 03:36
    Looks mediocre. Using a bit of Google translate kind of figured out it supports two languages, English and Russian. Interesting.
  • Flipy FlipersonFlipy Fliperson1,413,634
    Posted on 11 November 24 at 04:22, Edited on 11 November 24 at 04:31 by Flipy Fliperson
    GDB Marcos said:
    Flipy Fliperson said:
    GDB Marcos said:
    Bieber Sheenis said:
    So what's the play here, do the devs think people will buy loads of in-game money if they make the game free on day one? There can't be that big of an audience for yet another Idle-type game, right?
    Looked up Steam Achievements (it's called Grim Clicker there) and they're definitely gonna update the achievement list on Xbox to the same extent, so the completion will get way harder and will appeal a lot for in game purchases.
    That's my guess.
    Desert Water Games is a GS publisher. While what you said could be true, it would not be a very wise business decision. To risk alienating even a small portion of the community could be disastrous for them.
    I see the point you're trying to make, but I don't think they will come up with a different list of achievements, the best we could hope is that they stop updating the game.
    Also, I think its kinda fair that they try to make people buy in game currency with money, as the game is free and have quite some easy gamerscore, in the end would just be a pain for those who care about 100%, which are not everyone.
    Searched DPS Idle on Steam and it looks even worse than Grim, I suggest we brace ourselves for the future ☠️
    Looked up DPS idle on TrueSteam and its achievement list is vastly different from the XBOX version. Some are the same but the Steam version is brutal. Probably safe to say Grim Idle will follow this same formula and it will continue to fatten their shovelware portfolio.
  • LifeExpectancyLifeExpectancy1,764,216
    Posted on 11 November 24 at 11:57, Edited on 11 November 24 at 11:58 by LifeExpectancy
    The absolute tidle wave of shovelware is a thing to behold. And somehow unlike the video game ceash of the late 80s/early 90s from shovelware, the achievement/trophy market is keeping things afloat despite the onslaught of garbage.

    Thankful every day I got off the godforsaken treadmill of gamerscore and 100%. But if this is your version of fun, you do you.
  • GDB MarcosGDB Marcos469,264
    Posted on 11 November 24 at 13:00
    Flipy Fliperson said:
    GDB Marcos said:
    Flipy Fliperson said:
    GDB Marcos said:
    Bieber Sheenis said:
    So what's the play here, do the devs think people will buy loads of in-game money if they make the game free on day one? There can't be that big of an audience for yet another Idle-type game, right?
    Looked up Steam Achievements (it's called Grim Clicker there) and they're definitely gonna update the achievement list on Xbox to the same extent, so the completion will get way harder and will appeal a lot for in game purchases.
    That's my guess.
    Desert Water Games is a GS publisher. While what you said could be true, it would not be a very wise business decision. To risk alienating even a small portion of the community could be disastrous for them.
    I see the point you're trying to make, but I don't think they will come up with a different list of achievements, the best we could hope is that they stop updating the game.
    Also, I think its kinda fair that they try to make people buy in game currency with money, as the game is free and have quite some easy gamerscore, in the end would just be a pain for those who care about 100%, which are not everyone.
    Searched DPS Idle on Steam and it looks even worse than Grim, I suggest we brace ourselves for the future ☠️
    Looked up DPS idle on TrueSteam and its achievement list is vastly different from the XBOX version. Some are the same but the Steam version is brutal. Probably safe to say Grim Idle will follow this same formula and it will continue to fatten their shovelware portfolio.
    You are right, thanks for pointing this out, the achievements on Xbox for DPS Idle are way easier.
    We can't say for sure what they'll do in the future for both games, but now I'm less concerned about it.
  • TymanTheLongTymanTheLong565,545
    Posted on 11 November 24 at 19:17, Edited on 11 November 24 at 19:18 by TymanTheLong
    GDB Marcos said:
    Flipy Fliperson said:
    GDB Marcos said:
    Flipy Fliperson said:
    GDB Marcos said:
    Bieber Sheenis said:
    So what's the play here, do the devs think people will buy loads of in-game money if they make the game free on day one? There can't be that big of an audience for yet another Idle-type game, right?
    Looked up Steam Achievements (it's called Grim Clicker there) and they're definitely gonna update the achievement list on Xbox to the same extent, so the completion will get way harder and will appeal a lot for in game purchases.
    That's my guess.
    Desert Water Games is a GS publisher. While what you said could be true, it would not be a very wise business decision. To risk alienating even a small portion of the community could be disastrous for them.
    I see the point you're trying to make, but I don't think they will come up with a different list of achievements, the best we could hope is that they stop updating the game.
    Also, I think its kinda fair that they try to make people buy in game currency with money, as the game is free and have quite some easy gamerscore, in the end would just be a pain for those who care about 100%, which are not everyone.
    Searched DPS Idle on Steam and it looks even worse than Grim, I suggest we brace ourselves for the future ☠️
    Looked up DPS idle on TrueSteam and its achievement list is vastly different from the XBOX version. Some are the same but the Steam version is brutal. Probably safe to say Grim Idle will follow this same formula and it will continue to fatten their shovelware portfolio.
    You are right, thanks for pointing this out, the achievements on Xbox for DPS Idle are way easier.
    We can't say for sure what they'll do in the future for both games, but now I'm less concerned about it.
    Steam has a tradition of adding Steam achievements for absolutely anything, Idle Champions of the Forgotten Realms (an absolutely NOT shovelware idle game) does the same thing. Idle games are generally F2P and have constant updates to keep veteran players engaged. Idle Champions, for example, has what amounts to in game Accolades. On Steam where the cost of making these achievements is effectively trivial they make a new achievement for every Accolade, but on console and other places where it’s a big deal they do not.

    A good idle game will constantly evolve and will cater to casuals that just play with the rule of cool and the kind of people who will break out an online spreadsheet to min mac everything and hit every ideal break point for every ability and nuance. It also needs to support those that engage a lot or those that fire and forget and come back a week later to set new runs or activities.

    I have no earthly idea if that’s how Grim Idle will go, but I’ve played Idle Champions of the Forgotten Realms for 6 years now and it has a wild amount of content. At a minimum guess there is 4-5 times the amount if content that it launched with. There’s so many new Accolades they had to revamp the Accolade system, but there’s no new XBox Achievements.
  • Vok 250Vok 250546,032
    Posted on 12 November 24 at 04:47
    LinenSampler said:
    Vok 250 said:
    How fast is it actually? A lot of these small-time indie games have wildly inaccurate estimates. Both from people lying/bragging and the devs astroturfing. I'm currently 30 hours into a "20 hour" tower defense completion and it is mind numbingly boring!
    I just finished and I assume you can do 100% for a hour
    It took me 1 hour and 24 minutes according to the Xbox Live API.
  • shootdown3shootdown3975,861
    Posted on 12 November 24 at 05:24
    for some reason, I completed the game and got all the achievements, but TA only shows that I have 8/10 but with a 1000 GS, anyone else have this issue? First time I have ever seen this.
  • GDB MarcosGDB Marcos469,264
    Posted on 12 November 24 at 13:07
    shootdown3 said:
    for some reason, I completed the game and got all the achievements, but TA only shows that I have 8/10 but with a 1000 GS, anyone else have this issue? First time I have ever seen this.
    This happened to me but with other game, took a while but it was eventually fixed without me doing anything about it (at least not intentionally). Maybe you should reach out to TA to see if they can help.
  • SurerABESurerABE979,443
    Posted on 14 November 24 at 15:53
    Thought it might be useful for TA community challenges but because it currently doesn’t have a Genre set it’s no use for the bingo challenge so I’ll just keep it for keeping my achievement streak going on days I’m busy.
  • TymanTheLongTymanTheLong565,545
    Posted on 14 November 24 at 19:57
    SurerABE said:
    Thought it might be useful for TA community challenges but because it currently doesn’t have a Genre set it’s no use for the bingo challenge so I’ll just keep it for keeping my achievement streak going on days I’m busy.
    Weird is there no “Idle” genre on TA? It’s hardly a popular genre on console but it is a thing.
  • Carle22Carle2211,418
    Posted on 16 November 24 at 17:30, Edited on 29 November 24 at 00:45 by Carle22
    I'm just curious. If this game is clearly designed for people to easily get Gamerscore points and move on, why is it free? Is it monetized in any other way?

    192.168.100.1 192.168.1.1
  • TymanTheLongTymanTheLong565,545
    Posted on 16 November 24 at 20:05
    Carle22 said:
    I'm just curious. If this game is clearly designed for people to easily get Gamerscore points and move on, why is it free? Is it monetized in any other way?
    It’s an idle game and it’s designed like an idle game, see my posts above for how idle games are typically monetized.
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