Posted on 26 May 15 at 22:25, Edited on 26 May 15 at 22:30 by Elite1111111111LuckyConquerer2 said:^ I have never played a game based on its achievements. I have never played solely for achievements. I never said I do not use guides. I said that I am not a baby who looks for help immediately, without trying first. I try not to boost. Looks like you are another person who fails to comprehend what is written and instead picks up inaccurate quotes.I was kinda with you til here. "You use guides and I don't (as much), so you are a baby."Except in the case of say level select games and post-game free-roam (and even then only when you can actually return to every area), it just wastes time to not use a guide from the get-go (which you said you understand if it's missable.) However, even in those cases, lets say you found 99/100 flags but can't find the last one. Well great now you have to go through an entire guide probably returning to areas you've already checked just to get that last one. Even then unless the video is really time consuming about showing you each location, you can't be sure you got that collectable. You are clearly someone who really cares about finding all X, generally useless (aside from the achievement), collectables. Obviously there will be people who want to streamline the process, especially when they add nothing to the game.Example - I needed the achievement in AC1 for all the Lucy Convos, but figured I'd look for the flags first. I guess back then people weren't as good as making guides because after I went through one city where I got to the end of the guide and was still missing a flag. I figured screw it just look for them in the new game.LuckyConquerer2 said:@chakaal and ackter get it. It is not about using guides. It is about people unable to even try. Games are more important than achievements. Play first, hunt second."You play games in a different way than me, therefore you are wrong. How dare you not spend countless hours searching for collectables for that ever so slight sense of satisfaction (assuming you aren't missing one and end up needing a guide, in which case you'll need to follow the entire guide and hope the one you're missing isn't the last one on the last)."Collectables are annoying. If you're resorting to guides anyway to find your last few, it just saves time to use a guide from the get-go. If your "Well shoot, at least I tried" makes up for the hours you waste (sorry, spend), then good on you.Also for the "I have never played a game based on achievements," well gee I wonder why people might have a differing opinion on a site devoted to getting achievements. But of course they're babies since they don't play games like you.Sorry tried to keep that as concise and level-headed as possible. 10 hour shift plus allergies so I'm a bit dazed.