Posted on 09 January 16 at 19:11RazorPriest said:QcK Dagger HeaT said:Idea that is very Western of you.......under your definition any Final Fantasy Game wouldn't be an RPG except the MMO's. RPG's originate from board games like dungeons and dragons, where stats, upgrades, and roll checks dictate the way a game as played. I also got my origins in RPG games from Jrpg's First RPG I ever played was Final Fantasy VII. If your not leveling, upgrading stats, abilities, or weapons your not really an RPG. This notion of I play a character and make choices and define my character is a modern western rpg, where there are far less of these type of games made the the traditional JRPG style games, turn based or not. Idea by your definition we just need to change al tell games storyline game to RPG's . If in most of the make a character and play Ex. Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout still have a leveling system and a stats system that increases based on level.You clearly have never played a single tabletop RPG, let alone actual D&D. JRPGs are by no means some sacred standard that RPGs are measured by. Rather, they are typically crude on-rails grinding simulators with horrible character design and plots that are assembled from a random pool of endlessly repeating tropes. With notable exceptions, of course. Western RPGs, stretching all the way back to Ultima have always been more creative as a whole, and nowhere near as bound to strict tradition as their Japanese counterparts. That's not to say WRPGs don't have clichés. They absolutely do, but the whole reason RPG is a difficult genre to define is that the western side has developed and changed formulas over and over throughout the years, while the eastern side has remained more or less the same. Therefore, I usually like to treat W- and JRPGs as separate genres. Easier that way, since JRPGs are easy to define. WRPGs are not. Saying Witcher 3 isn't an RPG is idiotic, and the same goes for Fallout 4. They're both WRPGs, a genre that has no proper definition. The former reminds me more of a Gothic game than anything else, and the latter is really nothing more than an open-world shooter with a focus on equipment upgrades. The notion that these wildly different concepts belong in the same genre classification is ridiculous, but it kinda just demonstrates my point. You're all arguing which of an apple and an orange is more like a banana. Stop it.My argument was always that RPG isn't a genre at all (except maybe JRPG). Genres describe gameplay. The things that make an RPG an RPG aren't related to gameplay at all - rather they are systems built around the gameplay.Of course, that's a losing argument. No one wants to recognize that. So we go on.