Posted on 26 July 16 at 01:46Shinnizle said:Halidoc said:Some of the responses have been, for all intents and purposes, "Ignorance is bliss." I, personally, have trouble taking that stance, and it mildly perturbs me when people do. I wrote this as a response to Shinnizle, but take for example: Using his actor angle take Mel Gibson for instance. He has made anti-Semitic comments in the past and even he has acknowledged that he made those comments, but as of this time has apologized for it and asked the public for forgiveness. With that knowledge in mind do you watch his movies happily knowing that he was a formerly known anti-Semite? Or do you watch his movies wearily knowing that while he may make enjoyable movies he is not the most outstanding person on the planet?I don't personally care for Mel Gibson much in the first place. But if he were to star in/write/direct/produce a movie I deemed "deserving" of my attention, and for the sake of the argument, became one of my favorite movies, the fact that Mel Gibson had a hand in it wouldn't change my view of the movie in the slightest. Hell, the actors' personal lives and/or views don't even cross my mind when I watch their movies.As stated, it was meant as an example, not a specific instance. What I meant for you to take from it was: Actor/Actress has made prior statements/taken stances denigrating a specific group of people they dislike. Do you continue to happily support them knowing this, or do you pause for a moment and put thought into what they did before contributing money to them?And since you didn't directly answer my question I have to assume you take the stance of "you watch his movies happily knowing that he was a formerly known anti-Semite." Which is the point I was trying to make and the thing I have an issue with, if that is the answer you chose.Shinnizle said:It goes the other way around too. If I were to see a movie star walking in the street, you wouldn't see me fanboying all over them, asking for their autograph, shaking hands, taking pictures... I generally don't give a flying fuck about them off camera Never said you had to blindly follow them, and I never referenced that in any way, so I don't quite understand the point you are trying to make.alklein92201 said:Personally, neither. You know what doesn't even come to mind when I watch The Patriot? What Mel Gibson thinks or thought about a certain group of people. The reason being, you know what has nothing to do with the movie and it's quality at all? What Mel Gibson thinks or thought about a certain group of people.Once again, it was meant as an example, not meant to be a specific instance. And you are just reinforcing my statements about supporting Orson Scott Card. Blindly supporting someone, giving money to someone who makes homophobic remarks and not thinking twice about it is an awful thing. Blindly supporting someone, giving money to someone who has made anti-Semitic remarks and not thinking twice about it is an awful thing. Especially if you are against that sort of thing.I was going to go off on a tangent about how it is fine with Free Speech and supporting who who want if they align with your views, even and especially if I disagree with them. But that doesn't free you from the consequences of taking that action. But this already long enough and I have quite a bit more to type.I guess we are all just going to blindly follow the entertainment producers of today and not give regard to what they may represent when off screen/not writing books/etc. Because what they do in their spare time doesn't effect their personal work in the slightest and we have no issues favoring people with unsavory views that don't align with our own. /sI do mean that sarcastically but the fact that so many people do this makes me sick to my stomach. You don't have to follow the paparazzi or the tabloids because I certainly don't, but when you do hear about it, when you do see it, don't you question someone just a tad when it is brought up that they say some unsavory stuff off screen? Unless, as previously stated, you do support that sort of thing. Then this whole thing is moot.Let me make an extreme example and let you decide where you stand. Once again, this is an example since people are using my prior example as a specific instance: Your favorite actor/actress/writer/singer/musician comes out as a Neo-Nazi/Ku Klux Klan memeber/take your pick of extremist group. Do you continue to blindly support them because, and I paraphrase, "The reason being, you know what has nothing to do with the movie/book/song and it's quality at all? What actor/actress/writer/singer/musician thinks or thought about a certain group of people."? Do you?Think about who you give your money to before you do, entertainment-wise, because you are supporting whatever views they have, whether you like it or not.Sorry to get so far off track, but this kind of mentality makes me so angry.