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Information Posted on 02 April 17 at 03:11
Quickdontdie has just submitted some Achievement Flag Info for Need for Speed: Carbon Achievements:

Quickdontdie said:
Need for Speed: CarbonModerator ChallengeThe Moderator Challenge achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 164 pointsBeat an EA Moderator in an Online game

Viral? I wish! Poor MightyMango...

ChinDocta
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ChinDocta
Posted on 02 April 17 at 05:43
Thanks for the submission, Quickdontdie. The requirements for the Viral flag are still met by this achievement so we won't be removing the flag.
Information Posted on 02 April 17 at 15:19
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Quickdontdie
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Quickdontdie
Posted on 05 April 17 at 05:42
How would this be considered viral? Is it because a moderator spreads it?
ChinDocta
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ChinDocta
Posted on 05 April 17 at 05:46
The definition of the viral flag is as follows:
These achievements are obtained by contact with a player who meets the requirements for spreading it to others.
Quickdontdie
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Quickdontdie
Posted on 05 April 17 at 05:48
ChinDocta said:
The definition of the viral flag is as follows:
These achievements are obtained by contact with a player who meets the requirements for spreading it to others.
Ah, guess so then. facepalm
Information Posted on 22 May 18 at 19:36
Psychotic Sully has just submitted some Achievement Flag Info for Need for Speed: Carbon Achievements:

Psychotic Sully said:
Need for Speed: CarbonOnline XP Level 2The Online XP Level 2 achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 9 pointsReach Online XP Level 2

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice.


Need for Speed: CarbonOnline XP Level 1The Online XP Level 1 achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 8 pointsReach Online XP Level 1

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonRace WeekThe Race Week achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 28 pointsFinish an Online race during a Race Week

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonShowboatThe Showboat achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 64 pointsCross the finish line in reverse to win a ranked Sprint race

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonOnline XP Level 4The Online XP Level 4 achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 11 pointsReach Online XP Level 4

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonOnline Challenge ChampThe Online Challenge Champ achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 36 pointsBeat 15 Challenge Series Events Online

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonOnline Challenge ContenderThe Online Challenge Contender achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 14 pointsBeat 5 Challenge Series Events Online

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonIron ManThe Iron Man achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 88 pointsGet a 6 game winning streak in Ranked Online games

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonRock SolidThe Rock Solid achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 56 pointsGet a 5 game winning streak in Ranked Online games

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonHot StreakThe Hot Streak achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 27 pointsGet a 4 game winning streak in Ranked Online games

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonLucky BreakThe Lucky Break achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 25 pointsGet a 3 game winning streak in Ranked Online games

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonHead StartThe Head Start achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 71 pointsCheck NeedforSpeed.com to learn how to get this Achievement

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonFirst StepsThe First Steps achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 8 pointsFinish an Online Ranked race or Online Challenge Series race

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonReward Card HustlerThe Reward Card Hustler achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 1113 pointsCompleted every Offline and Online Reward Cards

Partially discontinued - Many people have done all online portion for this so they're just left with single player whereas new people like myself are forever a lost cause.

Need for Speed: CarbonOnline LieutenantThe Online Lieutenant achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 47 pointsPlay 50 games Online

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonOnline GeneralThe Online General achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 95 pointsPlay 100 games Online

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonModerator ChallengeThe Moderator Challenge achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 164 pointsBeat an EA Moderator in an Online game

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonKnockout FeverThe Knockout Fever achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 22 pointsCatch Knockout Fever by playing an Online Pursuit Knockout race with an infected player

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonCanyon CrazeThe Canyon Craze achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 25 pointsCatch Canyon Craze by playing an Online Canyon Duel with an infected player

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonPursuit PandemicThe Pursuit Pandemic achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 22 pointsCatch the Pursuit Pandemic by playing an Online Pursuit Tag game with an infected player

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonThe Carbon PlagueThe The Carbon Plague achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 57 pointsCatch the Carbon Plague by catching all 3 other viruses

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonOnline XP Level 6The Online XP Level 6 achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 25 pointsReach Online XP Level 6

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonOnline XP Level 9The Online XP Level 9 achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 30 pointsReach Online XP Level 9

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonOnline XP Level 13The Online XP Level 13 achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 36 pointsReach Online XP Level 13

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonOnline XP Level 18The Online XP Level 18 achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 66 pointsReach Online XP Level 18

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonOnline XP Level 23The Online XP Level 23 achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 76 pointsReach Online XP Level 23

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonOnline XP Level 29The Online XP Level 29 achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 115 pointsReach Online XP Level 29

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonOnline XP Level 35The Online XP Level 35 achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 186 pointsReach Online XP Level 35

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonOnline XP Level 42The Online XP Level 42 achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 265 pointsReach Online XP Level 42

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Need for Speed: CarbonOnline XP Level 50The Online XP Level 50 achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 414 pointsReach Online XP Level 50

May 22nd 2018 - I am submitting all online achievements for this game discontinued.

Two viral events have become unsuccessful in the last week regarding the viral achievement.

Everyone has been having difficulty connecting to each other and this has been happening coincidently after the October closure of some EA games last year.

EA Announces Several Server Shutdowns Coming in October

A reference to the closure - Need for Speed Carbon has faced the same treatment without notice

Information Posted on 22 May 18 at 19:37
Psychotic Sully has just submitted some Achievement Flag Info for Need for Speed: Carbon Achievements:

Psychotic Sully said:
Need for Speed: CarbonReward Card HustlerThe Reward Card Hustler achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 1113 pointsCompleted every Offline and Online Reward Cards

Partially discontinued - Many people have done all online portion for this so they're just left with single player whereas new people like myself are forever a lost cause.

LuckyConquerer2
Posted on 16 June 18 at 21:46
Can someone respond to this and make a decision as a matter of urgency, please? The fact that it has been discussed in forums for 9 months and submitted a month ago without any comment is appalling on something as important as discontinued achievements. I haven't popped anything in this game after recently playing it and have just bought it. I would not have purchased it or even played it if they were flagged as discontinued.

A decision needs to be made. We rely on the accuracy of these flags, especially for the big ones like this.
This post may be sarcastic.
ChinDocta
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ChinDocta
Posted on 24 June 18 at 12:54
Thanks for the submission, Psychotic Sully. Apologies for the long delay but we have now applied the flags where appropriate and adjusted others as necessary.
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LuckyConquerer2
Posted on 24 June 18 at 16:36
Thanks.

Want to buy my copy?
This post may be sarcastic.
Information Posted on 24 June 18 at 16:47
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Information Posted on 22 April 19 at 09:21
R06U3 has just submitted some Achievement Flag Info for Need for Speed: Carbon Achievements:

R06U3 said:
Need for Speed: CarbonReward Card HustlerThe Reward Card Hustler achievement in Need for Speed: Carbon worth 1113 pointsCompleted every Offline and Online Reward Cards

Should be marked as Online Only, since there are several cards that require Online and the achievement is for all cards. Since the servers are shutdown, this might give someone the incorrect idea that it is still obtainable if they were only looking at the offline flag. Should also be marked as requiring 8 players, since there are 2 cards that require 8 players.

MichalKV
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MichalKV
Posted on 23 April 19 at 06:16
Thank you for the submission R06U3. We have removed online flag and players required flag, as there is already a Partially/Discontinued flag. This flag indicates, that the online portion of the game is not available anymore and players who did not complete the online part cannot earn this achievement any more. Instead of putting the flags back, we have opted to include a PIB for the achievement to explain the situation.
R06U3
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R06U3
Posted on 24 April 19 at 07:51
I honestly don't understand the reasoning behind leaving this achievement flagged this way.

What would be the harm in flagging it as Online Only and x8 Players Required? When it was obtainable, those were the requirements. It would seem counterintuitive to arbitrarily change them just because the server went down. It would seem easier to just have added the PDU flag in order to keep the achievement database as accurate as possible.

Also, while PDU is certainly applicable now, I don't understand how flagging this as Single Player and Offline is beneficial to either TA or any of its users.

Lastly, the PIB refers to the achievement as Unobtainable, but I believe Discontinued is the more accurate term. I'm not trying to nitpick, but I do feel that it's important that, if we're going to define two different terms for achievements that either never worked or can no longer be obtained, we should be consistent in their usage.
ChinDocta
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ChinDocta
Posted on 25 April 19 at 08:31
Hi, R06U3. The harm in flagging it with the Online and Players Required flag is that we would be misleading the community in telling them what the current requirements are. They may think that the server closure did not affect this achievement, which it has.

The Single Player and Offline flags have not been added, they have been on the entire time as it was and still is part of the requirements for the achievement. The online requirement no longer works and was replaced with the Partly Discontinued/Unobtainable flag.

I agree with your comments regarding the PIB and will reword it.
GI Flagging Manager
R06U3
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R06U3
Posted on 27 April 19 at 06:57, Edited on 27 April 19 at 12:05 by R06U3
ChinDocta said:
Hi, R06U3. The harm in flagging it with the Online and Players Required flag is that we would be misleading the community in telling them what the current requirements are. They may think that the server closure did not affect this achievement, which it has.

The Single Player and Offline flags have not been added, they have been on the entire time as it was and still is part of the requirements for the achievement. The online requirement no longer works and was replaced with the Partly Discontinued/Unobtainable flag.

I agree with your comments regarding the PIB and will reword it.
First, I'd like to point out that this specific achievement is the only one I can think of offhand where Single Player, x8 Players Required, Online, and Offline would, if the servers were still up, all apply simultaneously, so the flagging for this wouldn't fit the norm where some of those might be considered mutually exclusive.

If I'm going to be completely honest, I have to admit that I didn't understand what I believe your position is at first glance. It seems to me that you are saying that because the servers went down and PDU now applies that PDU should replace any of the flags related to the servers. You might believe that this is similar to Discontinued and Unobtainable.

However, I still respectfully disagree with this position for the following reasons:

1. In actuality, the achievement requirements have not changed. This still requires that you obtain all Online and Offline Reward Cards. The fact that the servers are down doesn't change that. After checking many other achievements that are now PDU, I can say that all of them maintained the original flagging in addition to being flagged as PDU. I believe that this is related to my next point.

2. In my opinion, it would seem potentially more misleading to the community to change or remove flags when an achievement becomes PDU due to a server closure instead of just adding the PDU flag to any flags that applied prior. I believe that the TA community is better served by having the flags be the most accurate representation of an achievement's requirements. I believe that restoring the flags for Online and x8 Players Required does that and is therefore in the best interest of the community as a whole. If someone has already started this game, it seems likely to me that they are already done with this achievement at this point if they could be. On the other hand, if someone isn't familiar with the game, they might make the decision to buy or rent it assuming that they could get the large TA score associated with this achievement, based on the current flagging, even if they knew the servers were down and not realize that wasn't the case until after they spent the money on it and received it.

3. After checking a number of Discontinued and Unobtainable achievements, it seems like either of these have been used as complete replacements for any existing flags. While I personally feel that it would be beneficial to know what the requirements for a specific achievement were or were supposed to be, I can understand that most of the community may not have found the information as useful or interesting and that replacing the achievement requirements could be argued to serve the community better.

EDIT: After reflection, I realize that prior posts may have been unclear in my intent. If so, I apologize.

To clarify my position, I am advocating that this achievement should have the x8 Players Required and Online flags in addition to the Single Player and Offline flags. I'm not suggesting that Single Player and Offline be removed. I simply feel that having the Single Player and Offline flags without having x8 Players Required and Online as well is misleading as to the achievement requirements. This would also be consistent with how, when other achievements have had PDU applied, that PDU is simply added to any applicable flags rather than replacing any.
ChinDocta
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ChinDocta
Posted on 28 April 19 at 02:16
Hi, I'll try to address your points to the best of my ability.

R06U3 said:
First, I'd like to point out that this specific achievement is the only one I can think of offhand where Single Player, x8 Players Required, Online, and Offline would, if the servers were still up, all apply simultaneously, so the flagging for this wouldn't fit the norm where some of those might be considered mutually exclusive.
I also cannot think of any achievements offhand that require all 4 of those exact flags, but I can say for a fact it is not the only game/achievement (excluding get all other achievements though that's still technically valid) that have those flags or similar flags. They would be treated similarly if the servers went down and the online requirements were no longer possible.

R06U3 said:
1. In actuality, the achievement requirements have not changed. This still requires that you obtain all Online and Offline Reward Cards. The fact that the servers are down doesn't change that. After checking many other achievements that are now PDU, I can say that all of them maintained the original flagging in addition to being flagged as PDU. I believe that this is related to my next point.
This is either because the requirements for obtaining the achievement in it's current state have not changed, or it's a mistake/left over from older flagging teams who may have had different flagging systems and policies. The team is only human and we do make mistakes, policies also change over time. We're due for a sitewide flag cleanup but are waiting on a few things before this happens. Feel free to submit any changes on other titles in regards to this.

R06U3 said:
3. After checking a number of Discontinued and Unobtainable achievements, it seems like either of these have been used as complete replacements for any existing flags. While I personally feel that it would be beneficial to know what the requirements for a specific achievement were or were supposed to be, I can understand that most of the community may not have found the information as useful or interesting and that replacing the achievement requirements could be argued to serve the community better.


Those flags work in the same way as the PDU flag, the requirements (or perceived requirements in the case of Unobtainables) are no longer valid and are therefore removed.
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lightsup55
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lightsup55
Posted on 28 April 19 at 02:39, Edited on 28 April 19 at 02:39 by lightsup55
ChinDocta said:
Hi, I'll try to address your points to the best of my ability.

R06U3 said:
First, I'd like to point out that this specific achievement is the only one I can think of offhand where Single Player, x8 Players Required, Online, and Offline would, if the servers were still up, all apply simultaneously, so the flagging for this wouldn't fit the norm where some of those might be considered mutually exclusive.
I also cannot think of any achievements offhand that require all 4 of those exact flags, but I can say for a fact it is not the only game/achievement (excluding get all other achievements though that's still technically valid) that have those flags or similar flags. They would be treated similarly if the servers went down and the online requirements were no longer possible
This is about the closest one I can think of that previously had some online requirements (as well as offline) to reach Level 60:
Test Drive Unlimited 2Level 60The Level 60 achievement in Test Drive Unlimited 2 worth 376 pointsReach level 60


As of now, Test Drive Unlimited 2's online servers are down and most likely permanently (without an official announcement*). You can read my achievement flag submission for details on that. The online servers in TDU2 haven't been working since the end of 2017. The exact date isn't really known.


The previous announcement was for the first game's online servers shutting down (as of September 29th, 2012), Test Drive Unlimited.
R06U3
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R06U3
Posted on 28 April 19 at 06:04
Well, one important distinction between Discontinued and Unobtainable vs PDU is that Discontinued is absolutely impossible to earn legitimately anymore, and Unobtainable were never able to be earned at all.

The obvious implication for Discontinued achievements is that someone either earned them while they were obtainable or they didn't. Earning an Unobtainable seems like it would be of interest to the Investigation Team as an indication of cheating.

In either case, removing all the other flags doesn't really affect any members of the TA community much in any way that most members might really care about.

However, since PDU achievements can still be earned legitimately, I'd suggest that there is definite value in retaining all the flags the achievement had previously and simply adding the PDU flag, and every PDU achievement I checked so far seems to bear that out by retaining all previous flags.

It would obviously minimize the effort from the Game Information team if the PDU flag was simply added to all existing flags. In case the achievement becomes fully obtainable again, it would be simple enough to remove the PDU flag without requiring any extra effort from the Game Information team to go back and try to determine what other flags should be reapplied. I would imagine that the Investigation Team would benefit from the flags being retained as well, but that is speculation on my part. I personally also feel it's in the best interest of the TA community, but I won't repeat the reasoning behind that again.

Finally, reflagging all PDU achievements in the manner you seem to be suggesting/advocating for seems like it would be a massive amount of effort with very little to show for it and a high potential for negative user backlash. I hope you're planning on pitching this change to the TA community in a poll to see what the reaction is before just rolling it out and surprising everyone.
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