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Related game: Bastion (Xbox 360)

  • Posted on 17 June 16 at 21:42
    Please use this thread to discuss this games classification under the new multi-genre system.

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  • LV 1 Blue SlimeLV 1 Blue Slime1,119,716
    Posted on 17 June 16 at 21:43
    This is another game I don't think should have ever been in RPG. You level up and gain HP and that's about it for RPG elements. I put Action/Adventure. Not sure what else to put, if anything.
    "Slutty outfit? You're one to talk." "This isn't slutty, it's strategically placed."
  • AllgorhythmAllgorhythm469,415
    Posted on 17 June 16 at 22:27
    LV 1 Blue Slime said:This is another game I don't think should have ever been in RPG. You level up and gain HP and that's about it for RPG elements. I put Action/Adventure. Not sure what else to put, if anything.Don't disagree with what you're saying. In my view, one of the elements in a role playing game is the ability to assume one or more of several roles. In Bastion, you are preset as the Kid. There are games that are far more like RPGs than Bastion that have not picked up the RPG label.

    Have you considered platformer?
  • Posted on 18 June 16 at 20:01, Edited on 18 June 16 at 20:07 by Piston Toyota
    This is a really hard game to define. I agree that not enough RPG elements are present to qualify for that, but I can't really decide what elements are present. Platformer kind of works I guess.

    Edit: As an aside, I would disagree that taking on one or more different roles is a core, immutable mechanic of RPGs, as plenty of things that are very much RPGs don't conform to that. For example, in The Witcher you're always Geralt, regardless of your choices (unless I'm misunderstanding your point). I feel like the core thesis of the RPG genre has more to do with gradual character advancement and a focus on story, though I'm sure other people could come up with a better way to put that,
  • AllgorhythmAllgorhythm469,415
    Posted on 19 June 16 at 02:07
    Piston Toyota said:This is a really hard game to define. I agree that not enough RPG elements are present to qualify for that, but I can't really decide what elements are present. Platformer kind of works I guess.

    Edit: As an aside, I would disagree that taking on one or more different roles is a core, immutable mechanic of RPGs, as plenty of things that are very much RPGs don't conform to that. For example, in The Witcher you're always Geralt, regardless of your choices (unless I'm misunderstanding your point). I feel like the core thesis of the RPG genre has more to do with gradual character advancement and a focus on story, though I'm sure other people could come up with a better way to put that,
    With Geralt you are evolving your character. Different players will take different approaches in fleshing out Geralt's role as a Witcher. In contrast, the Kid in Bastion is flat and there is little variation among different players' games.
  • Posted on 19 June 16 at 02:21
    Ah, I had a feeling you meant roles from a development standpoint not a character one, but I wasn't sure. Still, there are plenty of more basic RPGs where your development is more or less static and are just a slow increase in statistics and not much else, which is more or less what happens in this game.

    This is all largely academic though, since RPG is a bad fit for this game regardless, so it doesn't really matter.
  • AllgorhythmAllgorhythm469,415
    Posted on 19 June 16 at 02:42
    Piston Toyota said:Ah, I had a feeling you meant roles from a development standpoint not a character one, but I wasn't sure. Still, there are plenty of more basic RPGs where your development is more or less static and are just a slow increase in statistics and not much else, which is more or less what happens in this game.

    This is all largely academic though, since RPG is a bad fit for this game regardless, so it doesn't really matter.
    Different RPGs display RPG elements in differing degrees. The absence of one or more of the elements is not a 'dealbreaker' as long as the other elements qualify the game to be an RPG. I usually look for some parallel to the old tabletop pen and pencil RPGs because that is where the video game genre got its name. Naturally, the different media, of necessity, creates some divergences. As you state, we all seem agreed that Bastion does not display enough of the RPG elements to qualify as an RPG.
  • misfit119misfit1191,006,756
    Posted on 20 June 16 at 06:29, Edited on 20 June 16 at 06:30 by misfit119
    For me, when the developers label something a particular genre I find myself looking at why they call it such. So I looked at the game and realized that you do indeed pick particular roles that some people might not via weapon loadouts. Some people might prefer to use the straight up weapons, like the hammer, as much as possible while another might prefer a long range and short range and yet another, like my fiancee, prefer dual ranged weapons.

    Then there are the various structures themselves you can upgrade as you go along which take the place of personal upgrades to your character. So if you fixate on Armory upgrades you'll get access to weapon upgrades faster but miss out on the upgrades in the Distillery.

    There are also the various tonics you can pick up in the Distillery. These are further used to specialize and craft The Kid into your own character even if you can swap them around. There's also the Shrine with the modifiers to the gameplay.

    Lastly as you level up it impacts your HP as well as how many upgrades you can have, giving you further ability to modify your character.

    Going from one to the other it's obvious to me that this is all about taking The Kid and making him into your ideal character for getting through the game. So for me that's an RPG.

    TL;DR: Going for Action-Platformer-RPG.
    Looking to boost any MP achievements I don't have for any game I own.
  • AllgorhythmAllgorhythm469,415
    Posted on 20 June 16 at 15:29
    misfit119 said:TL;DR: Going for Action-Platformer-RPG.I can go along with that.
  • Posted on 02 April 17 at 04:03
    Za Pantsupati has registered their disagreement about the genres applied to this game
    Rhis needs its parent genre "Role Playing" added.
  • Posted on 02 April 17 at 04:06
    Already has Action-RPG but is missing the parent genre of "Role Playing"
  • LV 1 Blue SlimeLV 1 Blue Slime1,119,716
    Posted on 02 April 17 at 07:44
    Needs to have ARPG removed then. Leveling gives health, but the game is otherwise devoid of RPG elements. Should be in action-adventure or something, honestly.
    "Slutty outfit? You're one to talk." "This isn't slutty, it's strategically placed."
  • Posted on 02 April 17 at 12:18, Edited on 02 April 17 at 12:19 by Za Pantsupati
    I think you're the only person I've ever seen that argues against this being an RPG. Read literally any article about it and everyone talks about it as one of the best. I won't argue the elements are lighter than most RPGs, but it is undoubtedly an RPG.

    That fight's already been fought though, this is just a clerical error essentially.
  • LV 1 Blue SlimeLV 1 Blue Slime1,119,716
    Posted on 02 April 17 at 20:51
    People are probably too busy circle jerking about how amazing the (incredibly annoying) narrator is to actually look at the game then, I guess. If it's an RPG, Gears of War is because I can level up in MP. They both have the same amount of RPG elements wink
    "Slutty outfit? You're one to talk." "This isn't slutty, it's strategically placed."
  • Posted on 02 April 17 at 23:01, Edited on 02 April 17 at 23:45 by Za Pantsupati
    Haha, well we definitely disagree on the narrator as well.

    And you know that's a silly comparison.
  • LV 1 Blue SlimeLV 1 Blue Slime1,119,716
    Posted on 03 April 17 at 07:25
    No less silly than making your entire argument "other people say it's an RPG so it must be" wink
    "Slutty outfit? You're one to talk." "This isn't slutty, it's strategically placed."
  • Posted on 03 April 17 at 10:54
    I never made an argument. In fact, my initial reply said "I won't argue." laugh

    Like I said, just need to have the clerical error of the parent genre added.
  • DANIELJJ14DANIELJJ141,558,921
    Posted on 03 April 17 at 12:16
    This is most certainly not a platformer you just run around hitting enemies with a variety of weapons, maybe hack & slash could be a more accurate way to describe this game.
  • Posted on 03 April 17 at 13:52, Edited on 03 April 17 at 13:53 by Za Pantsupati
    DANIELJJ14 said:
    This is most certainly not a platformer you just run around hitting enemies with a variety of weapons, maybe hack & slash could be a more accurate way to describe this game.
    Hack and Slash would be even less appropriate than platformer.

    I should have just PMed someone about this.
  • DANIELJJ14DANIELJJ141,558,921
    Posted on 03 April 17 at 14:52
    Never mind I just noticed that the platformer comment was from before classification so it obviously didn't get it anyway.

    I mean I know hack & slash is generally attributed to Dynasty warriors and other such games but the definition from Genre Documentation sort of fits.
    Either way neither apply well with what it's already tagged with.
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