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Bring all possible allies to Kaer Morhen for the battle against the Hunt.

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This achievement is easily missable. Once you finish Main Quest: Ugly Baby, Secondary Quest: Brothers in Arms will automatically begin.

I will make sure to avoid spoilers other than the fact that these people are in the game, so you can read on safely.

The quest sends you to collect allies. Each ally you collect is tied to a quest which you must complete in order to send them to Kaer Morhen to help in the battle. You must complete the quest and convince them to go.

The achievement will unlock immediately after the final person agrees to go to Kaer Morhen. If you think you've got everyone and haven't had the achievement pop, you're missing someone.

The allies, and their quests, are below (Letho is optional, since it's possible he's dead due to events in Witcher 2):

- Letho - Reardon Manor (near Lindenvale) - complete Secondary Quest: The Fall of House Reardon
- Keira Metz - complete Secondary Quest: For the Advancement of Learning, telling her to go to Kaer Morhen (as of patch 1.10, according to comments you do not need to recruit her though another says you must)

- Vernan Roche and Ves - Temeria Partisan Hideout - complete Secondary Quest: An Eye for an Eye
- Zolton Chivay - Rosemary and Thyme - just ask!
- Triss Merigold - complete Main Quest: Now or Never

- Hjalmar an Craite - Kaer Trolde - ask whoever is ruler
- Ermion - Gedyneith - just ask!

The following will not come with you even when you ask them - they can be safely ignored:

- Emperor Emhyr Var Emreis
- Sigismund Dijkstra
- Crach an Craite
- Cerys an Craite (If you speak to her and she is ruler, she will send Hjalmar)
- Folan and Vigi - Go with Hjalmar

SiegfriedXI read somewhere else that in order to recruit Keira later, you HAVE to tell her to go to Kaer Morhen instead of what she intends to do after the quest. Not sure though if it's indeed required, but makes sense (trying not to spoil anything here).
Posted by SiegfriedX on 21 May 15 at 05:18
EurydaceI'm about to play that part do I'll make note.
Posted by Eurydace on 21 May 15 at 12:49
Foxfire49Does Roche still appear if during your recounts of the events of Witcher 2 that you sided with Ioreveth? And what about Letho if you told them that you killed him?
Posted by Foxfire49 on 23 May 15 at 13:19
EurydaceLetho is dead if you say you killed him (that's why he's optional). Roche will still appear. Just has different dialogue. He's in Novigrad.
Posted by Eurydace on 23 May 15 at 15:56
I RENAN Ihey man, if you want to add here is a Poweroyx video showing how to get all of them
Posted by I RENAN I on 24 May 15 at 11:43
EurydaceGood idea.
Posted by Eurydace on 24 May 15 at 17:32
Conor x420aTold triss I love her and she just walked away and got on the ship wtf? Goodbye achievement
Posted by Conor x420a on 25 May 15 at 19:27
Conor x420aMy bad I thought that was the end of the cutscenes
Posted by Conor x420a on 25 May 15 at 19:40
Clap That FoolWelp... guess I wont be getting this achievement in this playthrough :/ I already did Keira Mets quest and didn't tell her to go to Kaer Morhen.
Posted by Clap That Fool on 25 May 15 at 22:55
a44SpecialCrach an Craite is worth talking to as he gives you a very good steel sword that does 191-233 damage.
Posted by a44Special on 26 May 15 at 00:23
MalazanYou don't have to tell Triss you love her. I didn't but completed all her quests and she showed. I did kiss her at the party, though.
Posted by Malazan on 26 May 15 at 09:20
Posted by Eurydace on 26 May 15 at 23:57
Poopdog M60RiotVigi died in my game so once I get around to finishing it I'll let you know
Posted by Poopdog M60Riot on 27 May 15 at 07:50
Tower BridgeSPOILERS:

If Keira decides to make a deal with the king she ends up being burned at the stake. You have to tell her to go to Kaer Morhen.
Posted by Tower Bridge on 27 May 15 at 13:40
GenericCowJust popped this achievement with Vigi dead, so I assume Folan isn't required either.
Posted by GenericCow on 28 May 15 at 04:55
MattyJWestI didn't kiss Triss and allowed her to leave, she still turned up at Kaer Morhen. I think as long as you help her she'll turn up regardless
Posted by MattyJWest on 28 May 15 at 12:17
AG Bucky Barnes"I killed Keira on Fyke island...does this mean i'm screwed for my current playtrough?"

You really needed to ask? laugh not having a pop but that's f'n hilarious.

Nah she turns into a lustwraith and humps her way to Kaer Morhen wink

Nice one for the list.
Posted by AG Bucky Barnes on 29 May 15 at 12:33
Poopdog M60RiotWould have been nice to know this pops right after you recruit the last person :/ was expecting it to pop later
Posted by Poopdog M60Riot on 30 May 15 at 01:25
EurydaceIt says so in the achievement solution!
Posted by Eurydace on 30 May 15 at 01:37
I know some people have said you can let Triss go on the ship and you can still get this achievement later, but I'm still scared to do it lol. Can some other people confirm that you don't need to romance Triss? It'll make me feel better.
Posted on 30 May 15 at 15:32
EurydaceJust don't finish now or never. Keep playing until you get the Brothers in Arms quest. Ask everyone else, save, and then have Triss get on the boat. See if it pops.
Posted by Eurydace on 30 May 15 at 16:30
OOOHHH YEAAHHHwhen will I be able to ask Zoltan about it? do I have to finish a certain quest?
Posted by OOOHHH YEAAHHH on 30 May 15 at 17:54
EurydaceWhen you get the Brothers in Arms quest.
Posted by Eurydace on 30 May 15 at 18:00
OOOHHH YEAAHHHwhen will I be able to ask Zoltan about it? do I have to finish a certain quest?
Posted by OOOHHH YEAAHHH on 30 May 15 at 18:38
EurydaceJust answered that for you :)
Posted by Eurydace on 30 May 15 at 18:51
OOOHHH YEAAHHHwhen will I be able to ask Zoltan about it? do I have to finish a certain quest?
Posted by OOOHHH YEAAHHH on 30 May 15 at 18:57
OOOHHH YEAAHHHidk why it keeps posting that 0_o
Posted by OOOHHH YEAAHHH on 30 May 15 at 18:58
Posted by Eurydace on 30 May 15 at 19:01
Fuzzmeister JHit refresh on the page without leaving and it will repost for you.
Posted by Fuzzmeister J on 30 May 15 at 20:16
EL CLELLDoes this pop once all necessary members are recruited or later on in the story?
Posted by EL CLELL on 30 May 15 at 20:51
EurydaceAs soon as the last says yes!
Posted by Eurydace on 30 May 15 at 21:00
True MarvellousAnyone know what happens if you clear one of the recruitment quest but Havant reached the point where brothers in arms is unlocked. Does it mess anything up?
Posted by True Marvellous on 31 May 15 at 17:45
EurydaceYou're good to go either way.
Posted by Eurydace on 31 May 15 at 18:17
SallyNastyI finished the Fall of the House of Reardon and haven't seen Letho. I am not to the brother's in arms quest - does that have to be active for him to be there or did I just miss him and need to look harder?
Posted by SallyNasty on 03 Jun 15 at 14:26
EurydaceHe's not alive in your game world then. He'll never appear. That's why he's optional!
Posted by Eurydace on 03 Jun 15 at 15:09
IGutlessIWonderTo be clear: The option for asking zoltan to go to Kaer Morhen is when the quest Brothers in Arms becomes available? I'm also wondering the same, for the persons in Kaer Trolde, if the option to invite them to Morhen also only becomes available when the Bro in Arms quest is also available. Thanks in advance.

Wondering if something might've fouled up since ive done part of Ugly Baby quest before finishing recruiting them.
Posted by IGutlessIWonder on 09 Jun 15 at 03:21
EurydaceYes. Only Kiera is missable like that.
Posted by Eurydace on 09 Jun 15 at 03:49
IGutlessIWonderOnly Keira? Thanks. Already sent her there like 2weeks ago (real time), there's so much to do in this game.
Posted by IGutlessIWonder on 09 Jun 15 at 17:13
EurydaceThe others you do need to complete the listed side quest still!
Posted by Eurydace on 09 Jun 15 at 18:08
DEF ExeioIf you didn't kiss her and let her leave on the boat, you can get the achievement : I just did, and it's a relief.
Posted by DEF Exeio on 10 Jun 15 at 00:35
IGutlessIWonderIve just finished the Skellige sub plot, and that was my last of the side missions u listed in ur solution. Thanks, now I can finish Ugly Baby to get Brothers in Arms quest whenever.
Posted by IGutlessIWonder on 10 Jun 15 at 00:37
Daelus1Just an fyi; this is 1 of several Achievements in this bug-ridden game that didn't pop on screen for me, but did show as completed under my Xbox Achievement history.....gotta hate that junk.
Posted by Daelus1 on 10 Jun 15 at 18:05
foREVer7foldDoes anyone know if i can not get this because I got into a fight with kiera Mintz and killed her on accident and kept playing without realizing about this cheivo?
Posted by foREVer7fold on 19 Jun 15 at 02:27
EurydaceYou've missed it then cry
Posted by Eurydace on 19 Jun 15 at 02:52
foREVer7foldDamn... Thank you though eurydace
Posted by foREVer7fold on 19 Jun 15 at 05:17
mkdfanJust finished the game and checked what the secret achievements were and found I'd messed this one up about 80 hours of gameplay ago.
Eugh at missable achievements in 100+ hour games!
Thanks for the guide though, I'll defo use it whenever I play through it again.
Posted by mkdfan on 21 Jun 15 at 01:39
bryan dot exeHaving trouble finding Cerys. I did the Kingmaker quest line to completion. She was coronated. Then I progressed the main plot until Brothers in Arms became available. Now "Talk to Cerys" quest marker has me looking at a wall in Kaer Troide. Can't seem to figure out where she is. Everyone is posting videos of talking to her during the coronation but it wasn't an option for me at that time because I had not progressed the main story enough. Where does she hang out after she is elected? Thanks.
Posted by bryan dot exe on 22 Jun 15 at 00:49
EurydaceTry looking on a different floor of the castle. She's either up one or down one.
Posted by Eurydace on 22 Jun 15 at 01:03
ZarhinI didn't play Witcher 2 on this account, so I (if I remember correctly) let the game pick what world events happened, Letho didn't appear in the quest but I got the acheivement, fortunately. Thanks for the info.
Posted by Zarhin on 22 Jun 15 at 21:33
DesosavJust to be sure. What if Vigi was killed by the ice troll. Is he required for the achievement to unlock? thanks
Posted by Desosav on 24 Jun 15 at 13:57
EurydaceI'm told he is not in the comments here. It should still unlock. I'm not personally 100% certain though. The official guide says he is required, but it was wrong in numerous places so you can't take its word as sacred.
Posted by Eurydace on 24 Jun 15 at 14:47
B0WM4NXHey eury, just a small correction. Ermion is found in Gedyneith on the right most fast travel (there are 2 there). As soon as you spawn in, he is in the cave right in front of you.
Posted by B0WM4NX on 26 Jun 15 at 03:49
EurydaceThanks smile
Posted by Eurydace on 26 Jun 15 at 04:05
DesosavI can confirm that this achievement can be unlocked even if Vigi gets killed by the ice troll smile
Posted by Desosav on 29 Jun 15 at 12:32
Frankie DrumsNYI stumbled across Undvik hours ago, before unlocking the quest for Hjalmar, and I think I let Folan die. Is he definitely not necessary?
Posted by Frankie DrumsNY on 01 Jul 15 at 00:07
EurydaceHe shouldn't be.
Posted by Eurydace on 01 Jul 15 at 00:39
TatiTheFreaKI didn't tell Triss to stay but I still got the achievement... Lol
Posted by TatiTheFreaK on 13 Jul 15 at 09:14
k0ngzorCan you let Sigi rule Novigrad and still get this achievement, since he kills Roche?
Posted by k0ngzor on 07 Aug 15 at 16:59
SprinkyDinkyou should probably mention that you need to do the subplot with possession and the assisting quests beforehand as that is not main story
Posted by SprinkyDink on 10 Aug 15 at 01:46
XI AlphaMale IXLike others, I'm kinda nervous about the fact that Triss left. It seems like there is enough confirmation here that she will still show up, though. I did not tell her I loved her and she left on the ship.
Posted by XI AlphaMale IX on 05 Oct 15 at 22:21
TONI III04Got it today after downloading the latest update...DOnt know why because I killed Keira Metz and did not deserve the achievement...anyone having the same "luck"?
Posted by TONI III04 on 10 Oct 15 at 09:52
mutoCan confirm, I killed keira as well and got the cheevo after patch 1.10
Posted by muto on 10 Oct 15 at 21:10
GavInxsYip chevo just popped for me as well despite killing Keira.
Posted by GavInxs on 21 Oct 15 at 20:57
SharkFanMII didn't kill Keira but also didn't ask her to join me in Kaer Morhen (the third option where I said something like it was her choice). The quest Brothers in Arms: Velen is marked as failed and I didn't get the achievement. I assume the 1.10 patch only pops if you killed her and didn't leave her alive like I did. angry
Posted by SharkFanMI on 25 Nov 15 at 19:40
CruezillaJust got to the point where you talk to everyone. Achievement didn't pop for me and I had killed Keira (whoops!). When was the achievement popping for everyone else who killed her?
Posted by Cruezilla on 04 Jan 16 at 00:19
magiccigamKilled keira as well and did not get the achievement. Maybe it does not pop anymore in 1.11 and it was only a bug in 1.10?
Posted by magiccigam on 05 Jan 16 at 06:53
Apocalypse KaneIt worked perfectly +1 toast
Posted by Apocalypse Kane on 21 Feb 16 at 02:21
CM TranceI killed Kiera and never talked to Letho, even if he was still alive in my game. But they never gave me the quest to recruit him. So either alive or dead, he's optional anyway? He still joined my team and I never asked him. Fuck Keira. She left me no choice. What she was doing was wrong... so screw this achievement...
Posted by CM Trance on 08 Apr 16 at 21:10
IllustriousYeti^ I'm pretty sure I remember ghosts of the past and the fall of house reardon are picked up from a village's notice board. One of them possibly from a woman in the village.
Keira was a bit of a cunt for manipulating Geralt, yes but the fact that she's willing to go and stay at Kaer Morhen says something about her loyalty. A lot of things she said were genuine, and she manipulated him for a pretty damn good reason, though she was foolish enough to believe Radovid wouldn't kill her.
Posted by IllustriousYeti on 09 Apr 16 at 22:00
KennyannydennyThanks, worked great :D
Posted by Kennyannydenny on 30 Apr 16 at 14:48
Dr Peach PGuess I'll be doing this on NG+ :(
Posted by Dr Peach P on 29 May 16 at 18:47
Senseless OgreIs now or never after "A matter of life and death?!"
Posted by Senseless Ogre on 08 Jun 16 at 05:33
EurydaceIirc, yes.
Posted by Eurydace on 08 Jun 16 at 12:28
Senseless OgreIs now or never after "A matter of life and death?!"
Posted by Senseless Ogre on 08 Jun 16 at 21:13
CursedI am running the new update. Recruited Kiera, Letho, Triss, Zoltan, Vernon/Ves, Hjalmar, and Ermion in that order. Kiera, Letho and Triss were recruited on update 1.20. The achievement didn't unlock...
Posted by Cursed on 23 Jun 16 at 14:18
IllustriousYetiThe order doesn't matter. If you're sure you have everything then it's just delayed for you. In the achievement app it should say "done.. unlocking" for like 1-2 days.
Posted by IllustriousYeti on 24 Jun 16 at 00:15
HappyCalf82281I think the game has diddled me out of this achievement unfairly. I had all the possible allies at Kaer Morhen (including Letho) because I followed this quide to the word, and all the Brothers in Arms missions were completed, with all the objectives green ticked.

The only possible thing I can think of that could have nulled the achievement was that Dijkstra refused to lend financial support because of choices I made during the robbery investigation, but everywhere I've checked say he's not important. Also the Brothers in Arms: Velen quest automatically completed because I'd already sent Keira and Letho to Kaer Morhen.

Pretty pissed off to be honest.
Posted by HappyCalf82281 on 19 Sep 16 at 09:19
HUAN I LeppoI have the same issue.
Posted by HUAN I Leppo on 03 Dec 16 at 10:36
HUAN I LeppoOk I just reloaded a older save an spoke again to all and got the achievement.
Posted by HUAN I Leppo on 03 Dec 16 at 10:49
SirDavideoAchievement didn't pop for me. I'm pretty sure Letho was dead but can't remember the responses I gave at the start of the game (although I didn't bump into him during the manor quest).

I should note that I started this game in March and its had two pretty major patches since. I wonder if its had an effect on it at all, The horse racing achievement also didn't unlock for me.
Posted by SirDavideo on 12 Dec 16 at 10:19
IllustriousYetiIf letho is dead i don't think he's needed for it. See if it says "done.. unlocking" because i've never heard of them being glitched
Posted by IllustriousYeti on 12 Dec 16 at 18:57
SirDavideoJust checked all secret achievements on my phone and it still says "locked". Maybe it was just a hiccup with my Xbox. I have a save pre isles of Mists (but after recruiting everyone) so may go back and do Kaer Morehen again to see if it pops.
Posted by SirDavideo on 13 Dec 16 at 09:35
Apostle92627I completed For the Advancement of Learning but never got The Fall of House Reardon. Also, I failed Brothers in Arms: Velen immediately after receiving the quest. Maybe I killed Keira? I don't remember.
Posted by Apostle92627 on 30 Mar 17 at 00:04
spikeylizardI'm not sure if this is a help to anyone but I did all of Triss's missions before doing ugly baby and brothers in arms, when it came time for her to leave I asked her to stay but she refused ,however I've just completed brothers in arms and the achievement popped , not sure if this helps , but it may , having played this version and currently playing the goty version I'm finding some of the achievements aren't unlocking including killing two witcher contracts without buffs and the Kiera Metz quest so I think there might be still a few bugs in this game . Happy Gaming headspin
Posted by spikeylizard on 30 Mar 17 at 14:46
GV LocI cant talk to Zoltan. The brothers in arms Novigrad doesnt appear as completed, but im sure i complete this quest. Can i find zoltan somewhere else? Also, if i go to Kaer Morhen i can see who i recruited for?
Posted by GV Loc on 02 Apr 17 at 11:29
kiasanoBrothers in Arms: Velen automatically failed for me when I got the Brothers in Arms quests, because I killed Keira Metz earlier in the game. I got everyone else, but no cheevo for me :C I believe this is v1.21
Posted by kiasano on 06 Jul 17 at 08:03
F TANKDamn it...already did the quest with Triss but cant recall what i told her exactly, but she did get on the ship. I recruited my last ally but no achievement. Then again i already had 2 other ones bugged.
Never mind bugged achievements, but who was the asshole that thought it'd be a good idea to have achievements that you need to spoil the damn story for to avoid having to replay a 200 hour game?
Posted by F TANK on 16 Aug 17 at 07:40
UbulaLooks like if you let Keira go out on her own you lose out on this achievement. Make sure you invite her to Kaer Mohren at the end of her plotline. I didn't and Brothers in Arms: Velen immediately failed. Dang.
Posted by Ubula on 20 Aug 17 at 23:30
PhilTheStampedeYou kinda dicked a lot of people over by saying in the comments that they should try not to complete Now or Never or that Truss is missable if you don't say "I love you".

You should probably be a little more clear on this. I know it's old, but still. You just have to complete her quests and that's it. She'll show up at Kaer Mohren if you complete Now or Never, regardless of if she stays.
Posted by PhilTheStampede on 04 Feb 18 at 01:09
DjshepThis didn't unlock for me so I hard reset my Xbox, loaded an earlier save and re-completed the last recruitment mission. Popped right away. Its worth saving beforehand just incase you need to do the same!
Posted by Djshep on 16 Mar 18 at 00:20
Riy4dDidn't pop for me, I had to quit the game, restart my Xbox and then load a gamesave just before the last reruit (that was hajlmar for me). Talk to him and the achievement unlock right away. It's not the first time I have to restart and load for a buggy achievement on this game
Posted by Riy4d on 02 Jun 18 at 17:45
The SCHWARTZ 00I can confirm, on my end at least, that I didn't have to travel to Velen to recruit Keira. I slept with her, and convinced her to go to the Witcher's fortress when I took on her quest line. However, later on in the game, the moment the Brothers In Arms questline popped up, it immediately said I completed the Velen portion without me having to do anything extra.
Posted by The SCHWARTZ 00 on 14 Jul 18 at 21:56
TB4COHi everyone! I can confirm it works on New Game + too. if the cheevo did not pop for u after u recruit the last person, just restart ur Xbox and load right before u talk to the last person, and the achievement should unlock!
Posted by TB4CO on 18 Jan at 20:38
DenverMax27Definitely buggy...this didn't pop for me the first time. I quit the game, restarted my Xbox, and reloaded a save from the start of the Brothers in Arms quests. Also not sure if it makes a difference, but whereas originally I did an order where Emhyr (a refusal) was the last person I asked, this time I asked all the refusals early and had Ermion (an acceptance) be the last person I asked.
Posted by DenverMax27 on 06 Jul at 16:11
IAmJackSladeI don’t remember rounding everyone up as I thought I let Letho die. But, after talking with Roche, the achievement popped for me. This is my second full playthrough although I left a long time between so the software version would be different. So, maybe it’s popping because of recruiting everyone across my saves? 🤷🏻‍♂️
Posted by IAmJackSlade on 27 Jul at 22:31